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Summary
China condemned JD Vance on Tuesday for calling Chinese people “peasants” in a Fox News interview, where he said, “To make it a little more crystal clear, we borrow money from Chinese peasants to buy the things those Chinese peasants manufacture.”
The Chinese Foreign Ministry labeled the remarks “ignorant and disrespectful.”
The backlash exploded on Chinese social media, garnering 140 million Weibo views.
Critics mocked Vance’s own “hillbilly” background and pointed to China’s advanced tech and infrastructure, highlighting rising tensions amid Trump’s trade war.
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They are so laughably bad at this stong man act. They talk politics like either a particularly stupid playground bully or a guffawing British colonial moron from the time of the empire.
Also, I suppose it would help if your opponents found you even the least bit intimidating
They’re WWE grads
they don’t even have good entrance music
They tried but the artists keep suing to make them stop using it.
Linda MacMahon is literally the Secretary of Education.
Yet they can’t cut a promo!
I feel like it’s due to American privilege. They don’t understand the real world and authentic humanity.
Only Democrats seem to find their act intimidating.
Here it is again, a desperate attempt to blame Democrats.
They’re not blameless. They’re not entirely to blame, but they could’ve regulated social media to dampen disinformation when they had the chance.
You can’t tame the beast anymore. It’s in control and it’s bigger than governments. It’s more of poltergeist than something physical. Humanity is dying and the lifeboats that were government and religion have been overtaken.
This is a whole new war beyond law and order.
Natural law prevails, but many of us have been taught to not live by natural law. In turn we are losing the battle by being submissive to man-made law while the evil side of humanity thrives as it has never followed the law of man. They know the laws are for the poor and easily controlled and not meant for them.
Or something?
You can’t tame the beast anymore
Yes we can. It requires effort, will and risk, though, and these are things Americans lack one of.
holy shit these fucking libs
“They should have cracked down on how we’re allowed to communicate with each other”
and not
“They shouldn’t have committed a genocide” or “They shouldn’t have taken tens of millions of people off medicaid and doubled child poverty”
And now that would be the reason they didn’t get elected.
Example?
You could look into it yourself, but here’s a general overview on the US response to disinformation:
https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/disinformation-governance-board/
The Democrats could’ve been pushing harder to address such a serious problem, but they didn’t. And here we are.
Like I said, they’re not entirely to blame, but they’re not blameless.
The answer is never censorship. Look at who would be in charge of your ‘regulated’ social media now… It would be all of it instead of just the now hyper-regulated X.
I didn’t say censorship. They could’ve regulated social media as actual Media outlets, which puts them on the hook for libel lawsuits if blatantly fake disinformation is advertised on their platforms. In other words, they have to follow the same rules as traditional media outlets.
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“Please stop capitulating to Trump and signing off of his bills, they’re fascists and you’re enabling them.”
“Whats with the blame for Democrats? You must hate them for no reason.”
The budget bill? Things were going to be worse if there was a shutdown that hands more power to the executive.
If they wanted a shutdown, Republicans would have voted no and shut it down.
Instead they voted yes along with 11 Democrats.
These days they can update it with “don’t waste your eggs, there are kids in America whose family can’t even afford them”
Does anyone believe he does not see American citizens as peasants, too?
Not just American citizens. The people he grew up with. His own community. He even wrote a book to exploit it. The guy is all sleaze.
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after THIEL plucked him from obscurity and gave him a job.
by recent voting history would that not be somewhat accurate?
Explain what you think a peasant is .ml user.
well, .zip user… in this context I would go with one living under neo-feudal oppression. but please, do elucidate if you care to.
I was going with someone tied to the land, unable to move or better their situation.
Which would make sense in the context of Appalachia but doesn’t really make sense in the context of American citizens at large.
I got ya. you may be surprised to learn that, in the us, declining geographic mobility is very much a part of the new feudalism.
by all metrics I can think of, the us is becoming more and more a feudal estate with lords and peasants.
One of the most frustrating things about the current US administration, is I keep having to side with China. wtf is going on when we can no longer even get together to hate on an external trading partner? When the enemies are not at the gate but in the keep? When I have to agree with actions to punish my own country as well earned and expected?
Maybe the enemies aren’t the ones we’ve been made to believe. Our homegrown capitalists export jobs to the “peasants” then they turn around and say to the jobless - look, the peasants took your job!
The enemies have never been the Chinese proletariat who toil and slave for scraps to feed the demands of a capitalist, consumerist society and always the greedy, totalitarian faux-socialists with a love for concentration camps that form the ruling party.
totalitarian faux-socialists with a love for concentration camps that form the ruling party
Could you please tell me what’s the incarceration rate in China and compare it with the US?
First: No I cannot, the people of China do not enjoy freedom of press or freedom of expression, so finding out the actual statistics can be very difficult.
Second: What is your point? Two governments can be bad simultaneously, and even more than just two. Just because I oppose Israel’s genocide doesn’t mean I suddenly support Iran’s totalitarian leadership.
finding out the actual statistics can be very difficult
Nah, you’re just a racist US-propagandized individual who refuses to believe statistics from “le evil country” because they don’t suit your ideology. Trials in China are as public as in the rest of the world, and incarceration rates are easy to calculate, and they match the government data because China doesn’t need to lie about it becaude it’s not a police state in the way USians believe it to be. I can attest to that as someone who visited China freely and without visa, and who has had the pleasure of having several Chinese coworkers.
Second: What is your point?
My point is that China’s incarceration rate is 5 times lower that of the USA, which makes it kinda obvious that there’s no “tyrant police state jailing everyone who disagrees”.
I’ve been looking for Chinese prison-crime-etc. data. Do you have a link?
It being in Mandarin isn’t a problem.
The United Nations Crime Trends Survey data seems to match pretty well with the data from World Prison Brief regarding prison population. Hopefully nobody will accuse the UN or a London-based organization of skewing the data in favour of China.
You’re either an apologist for totalitarian dictatorships who falls for propaganda as easily as MAGA cultists or you’re just straight-up trolling. The racism accusation was really the cherry on top.
I have never even visited the US, nor do I have any intention to.
You don’t need to live in the US to fall to US State Department propaganda, I’m west-European myself and I’m surrounded by people with the same brainworms as you do. But if you insist I’ll give you two sources that give similar numbers (i.e. 5 times smaller imprisonment rate than in the USA): source 1(London-based institute) source 2(UN data). Are those also totalitarian sources for this faulty information that we can’t believe because the evil politicians from the evil country are plotting to destroy the west?
That’s not how it works around here. No shades of gray I’m afraid, simple black and white only. (/s)
If it’s one thing I’ve learned in my years it’s the the truth is always somewhere in the middle. Just look at global warming.
Same as it ever was, governments sucking ass while the people are just… People… Even EU governments suck ass, just maybe ever so slightly less in recent history and even that I’m not sure of (not counting the current slide to the far right obviously).
Maybe the real enemeies were the friends we made along the way? Wait… no probably not.
As someone who is trying to live in a democracy it’s still insane to accept a dictatorship IMO
The kings and dictators are gonna be a fundamental wedge between east/west for a long time.
I do feel like every 4 years… there’s a new enemy in the world. Kim > Putin > Bibi =/= Donald > who’s next?
The enemy was never China. The current US administration is worse than the previous one, but it was never China imprisoning black people en-masse, keeping your healthcare unaffordable and your life expectancy below that of Cuba, keeping your tuition prices out of reach for the majority, not guaranteeing a retirement pension, and having the largest incarceration rate on Earth. It just took orange man for you to realize. Hopefully you won’t turn back to anti-chinese sentiment and pro-US-imperialism when the cheeto is gone.
Hopefully you won’t turn back to anti-chinese sentiment and pro-US-imperialism when the cheeto is gone.
The guy literally said that the most frustrating thing is that he can’t be anti-chinese anymore.
Ehhhhhhh…
I don’t disagree that the “western hemisphere” is a corrupt, increasingly fascist, capitalist hellhole…
China aren’t known for their stellar human rights record either. Uyghurs, Tibetans, anyone that jokes about Winnie the Pooh’s lookalike, etc.
Let’s not pretend either side is righteous here, every single one of us is getting fucked, it’s just a matter of degree and direction.
Uyghurs, Tibetans, anyone that jokes about Winnie the Pooh’s lookalike, etc.
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nazisAmericans are bad, wait until you hear what they have to say about thesovietschinese!Removed by mod
Anyone else becoming consciously aware of things they just can’t say because China is now going to be the next superpower?
…at least their list of banned statements are coherent and predictable…I guess. With the Trump admin, you could say “I like Gouda cheese” and a few years later find yourself in El Salvador because Trump, or some other moron, got upset that The Netherlands wouldn’t willingly be annexed.
That’s what I’m talking about the oppressive dictatorship with poor human rights is the voice of reason, if sanity, the “good one”? How did that happen?
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This was also not on my bingo card as well. It’s a damn weird timeline we’re living in.
Does he have to be an asshole to everybody? Even the way he speaks is like he talks down to people, it’s just so cringe.
Hate is the GOP platform.
Hard to look at the policy when you are always whipped into a frenzy about those trans mexican chinese peasants
Criminals. Don’t forget they are all criminals. Half the world is in La Tren de Aragua, or whatever they made up last
I mean he was an asshole to his mum, wife and kids. (His mum is Appalachian American and in his book he said all Appalachian Americans are drug addicts. His wife is of Indian descent and so are his kids. He still defended the doge douche who was racist towards Indians.). So he pretty much has no assholeness filter and know no boundries.
Yeah he is unfiltered white trash he has no creed, ethnicity, or kin. He technically has a race but only by the American standards, anywhere else and he’s lacking even that.
he was brought out of obscurity by THIEL, to be nothing more than his puppet to push his agenda.
Thiel needs to get his money back then because I’m pretty sure Vance is a charisma void who would struggle to inflict his will onto a ham sandwich.
You haven’t even said thank you, once!!!
Does he have to be an asshole to everybody?
It’s his only skill.
I honestly despise Vance so much, even more so than Trump. He’s such a vile, spineless, cunt of a man that makes me want to punch him whenever he opens his mouth.
A lifetime of being a loser can really do a lot to a person.
yes, that is his only skill
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he basically did it himself about his own town in his shitty book.
JD Vance is such a little bitch.
Hopefully china will sanction JD Vancer.
Rising tensions with China? I was told that’s what the Democrats were going to do if they won. 🤷♂️
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Wait, I thought Trump is Putin’s puppet and Putin is Xi’s puppet?
They did.
Pardon my ignorance, but how so?
Poor man’s idea of a rich man,
Stupid man’s idea of a smart man,
Weak man’s idea of a strong man,
Coward’s idea of a brave man,
And a moronic voter’s idea of a President (or Vice-president in this case).
…I hate laughing at the downfall of my own country, but we definitely had it coming. I guess Chinese is the new lingua franca. Anyway, can someone help me understand why “Ma” in Mandarin means both weed and mom? How do I buy weed in Beijing?
Mandarin has 4 (technically 5) tones so “ma” could be any one of those 4 different pronunciations. Furthermore, there are many completely different words that have the same tone/pronunciation. You just learn through context (same way as you do with English homophones)
Mom in mandarin is 媽 (mā) whereas weed is 麻 (má). Colloquially you can also say 大麻 (dàmá) for weed.
Also, even before you go into the nitty gritty, there are homonyms in English too, so I don’t get why OP needs an explanation.
you also use ma at the end of the sentences to form a question, to make it more confusing
How legal is weed in China? I get the impression the regime is anti drugs
take this as you will, it is copy pasted from a site. most other sources i saw up to reading this said the same shit, so it is probably fairly accurate
The Punishment for Marijuana in China
Possession & Use: Individuals caught with marijuana or using marijuana will face administrative detention between 10 to 15 days, as well as fines of up to 2,000 yuan ($280 USD). Trafficking and Distribution: Selling or distributing marijuana is a crime. Punishment for those found guilty of handling over 50 grams includes a minimum three-year prison sentence, with life incarceration or death being possible penalties for larger weights (or in special cases). Marijuana Cultivation: Growing cannabis is another criminal offense, no matter how many plants. People arrested for growing marijuana could spend five years in jail and pay a hefty fine. For larger amounts, the punishment is even steeper.Thanks!
Possession is much lighter than I was expecting.
There is probably a lot of pressure to give up the supplier.
yeah, i have no idea, on the granular level like that i would image it is quite a complicated thing, as it is anywhere
Just spit balling here but probably execution level legal.
I think you get a fine up to 2000 Yuan? I could be wrong.
U can ask Mom for weed by saying ma ma
Make it a question with a third ma.
So “ma ma ma?” (妈麻吗?)
You can’t. At least not legally.
Big talk from hillbilly white trash.
I read this in Kahn from King of the Hills voice.
"Hey, Minh! Mascra wearing Hillbilly is fondling his couch! You owe me a dollar! "
Don’t take it personally, China. He feels the same way about the majority of Americans including his own family. He’s got a chip on his shoulder bc he grew up among the peasant class, made it to the Ivy Leagues and has desperately been trying to claw his way into a social level he’ll never be accepted to bc he wasn’t born into it.
From his POV you’re either a peasant, or you’re an elitist. Unless you’re part of the 1% of billionaires and generational wealth. Somehow that makes you an average Joe, and that’s why you benefit the most from Vance’s policies and “beliefs” (whatever he may need them to be in the moment).
Vance is not dumb, but he certainly acts like a useful idiot.
He can get there despite being dumb. Plenty of really dumb people end up on top. Not because of their intelligence but because of their complete lack of regard for others.
How is he not dumb? I’ve seen his texts in private chats. That’s not meant for the public. And god damn does he seem dumb
I knew a girl from China and this is a huge insult to them. Being seen or labeled as rural is very embarrassing in their culture. She was ashamed because she grew up on her uncle’s pig farm.
Farmers should be respected like other workers, they are feeding the world.
But then they vote republican…
You have a point US farmer voted Trumpican.
Republicans seem to have changed a lot over the years. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/09/reagan-trump-republicans/679746/
Many jobs are equally essential, I don’t get why people lose their asses over farmers specifically. It’s not like they feed the people out of charity, it’s their job to do so, and they get paid to do it.
I respect farmers as long as they aren’t ignorant and conservative.
I respect farmers as long as they’re not abusing migrant labour at illegal wages… So, I barely respect farmers.
exactly and they should be equally respected like other workers.
Well, in as much as they’re workers, yeah. When instead they’re landowners who illegally employ immigrants in order to pay them misery wages under the counter, fuck them. Farmers can be extremely reactionary and exploitative too, in a way that say, a supermarket cashier, simply can’t be.
you are right but if you compare landowner you should compare to other owner like supermarket owner, store owner, there are also store owner who hire illegals worker/casher paying them miserable cash wages.
Exactly my point: many farmers aren’t working class, they’re petit-bourgeois, which explains why there are so many reactionary tendencies among them. The farmers who are working class deserve praise, the ones who are landowners don’t.
Yup that is true.
I agree. I was just providing a cultural perspective as to why this would be such a big deal for them.
That’s just because all the development happened in cities. It’s easier to educate people when they live in a place with more funding.
In 2020 or so the income inequality in china was equal to that of USA. Meaning that rural places didn’t have sufficient funding.
But now the gini is down to 0,36. Meaning that there’s more widespread funding.
China seems to be willing. While the inequality in USA is by design to attract capital
I think the shame is on the part of all Americans as this is on them sadly even the good ones.
Meanwhile they all can be gulag’d at any time by their cruel dictator. They are all serfs in that aspect.
Man yeah, a country where you can be sent to an extra territorial jail with no due process and absolutely no recourse because the Man said so.
That sounds scary!Agreed. Hence why most people would find it reprehensible.
What’s the incarceration rate in China? You guys are so fucking racist by swallowing the Anti-Chinese propaganda I swear to god.
What’s the youth unemployment?
The answer is it doesn’t matter, its a dictatorship that curates the truth.
Have you not looked at western media during the GENOCIDE in Gaza? All of them collectively talking about “war in Israel and Palestine”, playing both sides, and curating the truth. For fuck’s sake, the average Republican in the USA lives in a completely different world of covid denialism, and thinks Elon performed an accidental Roman salute.
Does Bernie Sanders get arrested and put in a reeducation camp for speaking out against it, as he would in China?
Those are just two examples from the past month. Edward Snowden? Julian Assange? Do those names ring a bell?
Also, Bernie is openly not against the genocide in Gaza. He openly talks of “Israel’s right to defend itself” and consistently talks of the “war” (not the GENOCIDE) using bothsideism
We’ll touche, definitely weird to be talking about sending prisoners to El Salvador.
Though these terrorist laws were always going to be abused.
They are victims, not “peasants” or “serfs”.
Serfs were victims, it’s roughly equivalent to slavery to be a serf
Right but it’s a nicer word to use imo.
Why are we softening the image of slavery? A spade is a fucking spade
Why do you think the article is upset at Vance? He should have said “We borrow money from them to buy the things they manufacture.” Mentioning ethnicity or the word peasant is clearly racist. Even if he wanted to drive it home, he could have said “We borrow money from these victims of slavery…” but it wouldn’t have made any sense of course that way. It was racist.
At some point, The Onion is going to have to close up shop. Because the absurdity of reality goes way beyond any satire they could dream up.
Satire has been dead for many years…
I remember that late night talk shows basically said that they don’t have to write comedy during Trump’s first term, because everything he was doing was comedy. This second term is far darker, but the lunacy of what’s happening on a daily basis makes all comedy and satire writers obsolete!
Even actual news reporting on serious things like “explaining Trump’s tariffs”, end up being almost unbelievable, like you have to question whether what you’re listening to actually happened or not. Take a few minutes to learn about how Trump’s team came up with the tariff numbers, and you’ll think that you’re watching a Pixar movie.
Beyond him being an idiot and a racist and evil, who the fuck talks like this?
He called the UK and France “random countries” when dismissing their importance to mutual security agreements.
He talks like a 4chan dipshit. Which he probably was. Even if he is completely blocked from power for the next four years, just having this moron one heartbeat away from the Presidency has done truly horrific damage to the respect and prestige of the Office.
If by some miracle Trump steps back from the tariffs and the concentration camps and the blatant authoritarianism and the wholesale destruction of the federal government, the damage to America as an idea is something that none of us will live to see undone.
What’s wild is this current admin just kind of solidifies the image of American culture that people have been in denial of accepting. Everyone saw it but they just kept consuming and living in their own bubbles.
Nobody ever thought highly of American culture, and I know racist fuckwads like these don’t represent all Americans, but to outsiders they do. America’s economy output was the only thing people liked about this country and the reason people immigrated here, you fuck with the money like this, then what’s left of the country?
America would have to have a good reputation prior to trump for your point to stand. Think about why your life was so easy before. How many people had their lives made harder so you could have your easy life? America itself is an overvalued stock.
The amount of damage Trump is doing by destroying our international relationships demonstrates that America is central to the post-war order.
