• hakunawazo@lemmy.world
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    12 hours ago

    “Everybody wants to talk about X, nobody wants to talk about Y”.
    That’s not gaslighting, that’s whataboutism.

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      8 hours ago

      I think it’s more along the lines of cats gaslighting humans to care for them…that’s where I grew the comparison.

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        That isn’t what gaslighting is, though. Gaslighting isn’t simply emotional manipulation; it’s a specific kind.

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          7 hours ago

          You mean like manipulating humans into believing they are helpless animals that need to be brought in, and taken care of?

          The specific kind of psychological manipulation in this case used by cats over millennia, by definition of the word, is gaslighting lol

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            Thankfully it’s the year 2024 so if you literally spent 5 seconds doing a search you would find a real definition

            Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation that hinges on creating self-doubt. “I think of gaslighting as trying to associate someone with the label ‘crazy,’” says Paige Sweet, Ph.D., an assistant professor of sociology at the University of Michigan who studies gaslighting in relationships and in the workplace. “It’s making someone seem or feel unstable, irrational and not credible, making them feel like what they’re seeing or experiencing isn’t real, that they’re making it up, that no one else will believe them.”

            Cats cannot do this.

            I don’t want to be the person that brings a real definition into a fun thread, but your complete lack of logical, sane thought on the subject drove me to it. This is your fault.

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              Did you even read your quote? A subjective stance from an assistant professor of sociology who studies gaslighting IN RELATIONSHIPS AND THE WORKPLACE. That’s a severe lack of a “real definition” my guy. Go watch the 1944 film Gaslight from which the term was coined.

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                Webster

                psychological manipulation of a person usually over an extended period of time that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories and typically leads to confusion, loss of confidence and self-esteem, uncertainty of one’s emotional or mental stability, and a dependency on the perpetrator

                Can you spot the difference? I cannot. And cats still can’t do this.

                Also, it was coined in a play before that.

                Again, it’s 2024, this is easy shit.

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                  6 hours ago

                  Manipulation of the perception of reality is where my argument comes from. Your rude ass tone and pretentiousness are unwelcome. Have a good one boss.

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                Yeah, because words used in modern context are always best defined by their most archaic usage 🙄🙄🙄

                • Raab@lemmy.world
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                  To that point, words used in modern context are also up for interpretation and free thought. :)

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    I went to disagree untill I remembered there’s a ginger cat that lives on my property that I feed sometimes

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      please don’t feed it unless you know for sure it’s homeless (there are paper bands you can hang around their necks on which you can put your info so that the owner can call you if it’s their cat). if the cat has a owner then you’re making the cat too fat, probably buying the wrong food which will give it liver disease, and being fed 2 different foods can cause bowel problems. Please stop.

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    That makes it sound like the cat domesticated humanity not “The cat self domesticated itself”

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      17 hours ago

      in reality it sure as fuck seems like humanity domesticated humanity, we have a lot of domesticated features like neotony (we look strikingly like chimpanzee children) and we’re arguably the most ludicrously social species on earth.

      the ironic thing is that cats aren’t really very domesticated, they’re inherently a social animal and happen to just sorta fit with how humans work.

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        I mean that sounds more like those are just traits we have and we made domesticated animals have similar traits to out own since presumably that makes us get along better.

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          Neotony isn’t disputed to exist in humans, only the ultimate cause and extent is disputed.

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    Oh sure, when the cat walks into a house and wants to live there, they’re all “omg it’s so cute” and “let’s go buy it food and a bed”, but when I do it, they’re all “who the hell are you?” and “leave or I’m calling the cops” :(

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      Covert cat distribution network, working as intended.

      In my opinion cats should never be kept as singles. They need social interaction with another cat, even if they don’t like each other. It’s not as bad as guinea pigs who will literally die from depression if kept alone, but it’s similar.

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        I wouldn’t say “never” because, for me, it’s better to shelter them instead of leaving them outside. But yeah, ideally at least two cats. I’ve only had two cats, both stray, the first one tried to play with our feet when he was the only one in home as he plays with the second now.

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    I did my best to take a cat home today when I was at the local landfill. I don’t even have space for another cat, it’s just freezing here and he looked extra pathetic. He decided the dumpster was safer and u honestly can’t blame him xD

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      There’s been a little baby girl coming around here, underweight, some kind of skin problem. She has always been an outside cat and belonged to my neighbor who died. My wife says we already have four so we can’t bring a street cat in that’s going to fight them.

      She’s right, but sometimes little girl comes up when I’m smoking and gets warm laying in my lap and I want to keep her so much.

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    The fact that only two creature in this world that will approach another creature 10 times bigger than them just so they get adopted is pretty impressive. That’s how i adopted my 4th cat, little baby dude just came out from under a car and yell at me until i pick him up.