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I remember I got into an argument on reddit awhile ago with a person over Italian food. It got to the point they were following me into other subs to harass me. I clicked on their profile to block them and their most recent post was them drinking their own piss on r/piss. At that moment I realized I had spent so much pointless time arguing about the taste of food with someone who drinks their own piss as a hobby. This site is a shit hole.
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Humanity is a shithole. Social media is a cross-section.
I hate that pov so much.
Humanity is fantastic, wonderful, loving and amazing. It’s not a shit hole.
I’d argue society is really broken in some places, but not humanity.
As for Social media: it just brings out some dark side in some people. The vast majority of people on social media behave. It’s just that the outliers catch the attention.
I hate this pov so much.
I think it perpetuates that things are better than they actually are and inhibits change and progress… we’re all different I guess 🤷🏻♂️
Fair enough :)
I just don’t see how believing the worst in your fellow human can encourage you to improve things.
Pessimism is easy and lazy thinking. People also think it makes you look more insightful and wiser to look down your nose at everything.
Spoken like a true trekkie
Live long and prosper!
believing the worst in your fellow human can encourage you
It doesn’t, it never did, it never will.
But the poster you replied to has a point:
Just like most animals the greater majority of people try to avoid as many direct conflicts as possible IRL. And they’re full of empathy and compassion - even for other animals in distress and inanimate objects (saw off the fingers of a plastic doll in front of others and see how they treat you afterwards).
But of course people will lose a part of that compassion etc once they move within society without feeling like a part of it. One example is driving a car. You’re way less aware of being a part of society even though you’re “swimming” in it. Feeling a strong individual agency and being empowered by two tons of steel while simultaneously being greatly restricted by everyone and everything around you will do that to you.
Same goes for the (social) media landscape. We feel empowered by our own echo chambers and/or chosen media outlet while barely interacting with anyone who could challenge our beliefs (which, funnily enough, is often the right call in that context, because we can’t change strong opposing beliefs via social media). And since it’s all an indirect, mostly faceless interaction, our beliefs will automatically be strengthened and we’ll be more likely to agitate anyone with opposing beliefs (while still avoiding any direct conflict).
So I’d say it’s more of a flaw in our design, that is being exploited, than a general lack of sympathy/empathy (of which we actually have plenty).
Which means you can’t hold any one individual to higher standards. Because that’s not where we “fail”. It’d take a much broader appliance of social securities (housing, food, healthcare, education etc all over the world) and a fundamental change in the way we interact. But you and I won’t change that (though I guess it’s comforting telling ourselves that we could individually change things on a greater scale).
Thank you for being much more eloquent than me.
The average troll wouldn’t be an asshole in real life. They’d likely just be an average bloke like us all that lost theirselves in online anonimity.
Time and time again we see that in many disasters the majority of people in the affected community come together and help each other tremendously.
There is ofcourse always rotten apples and exceptions. That doesn’t take away from the fact that people are inherintly good to their fellow human.
So everyone’s in agreement… humanity is a shithole
One major issue is we assume the motivations of others all the time, usually negative. Add anonymity to the mix and you have social media rage. A good place to start is to occasionally think “Maybe I’m not 100% right. Maybe they are at least partially right also.” Also, “What could be their reasons for thinking that?” without dismissing them out of hand. The press encourages rage by presenting us with a filter of negativity and constantly pressing our anger buttons.
True psychopaths exist but not to the extent people may think.
If you consider that we are currently destroying our eco system that we need to survive and have known for over 50 years that the co2 levels will cause major issues, but nobody really felt the need to act. And when the countries actually sat together and made the Kyoto contracts the USA steped in and fucks up the whole idea. Thanks Bush you little Oil-fucker!
Considering that you could say humanity is fucked and humans are at fault. And if you look at it the people voting are at fault too, falling for company and other proparganda and voting for a government that fucks them even harder.
I would say humanity as we know it won’t exist anymore in 200 years. War, droughts, floods and shit will get us. Even if we would act now the whole planet would need to cooperate. No Chance!
Again, I’d blame society for that, not humanity.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but the actual power in the world lies in the hand of just a fraction of percent of the people. Those asshole ruin it for everyone else.
Doesn’t mean the average human is evil.
Yeah, I know! But do you see anybody care about that? Do the votes for political parties show anything that would mean they don’t like those corrupted bastards?
No! Most people don’t care or think voting for the same parties will change sth.
I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who didn’t care about this besides the one-off sociopaths you encounter on the internet (though I’m fairly convinced that they also care but just feel powerless to change things). The problem is that the priority for most people is not starving to death within the next month, and that makes it impossible to devote time and energy into solving more long term problems.
The thing is the same people who fuck the planet are responsible for your nonexisting social safety net.
I know people only care about politics when they have nothing else to do, but this is the problem. Most people won’t make a well informed decision when voting, because they don’t have time to do that. I mean most countries you can’t even go vote on sunday
Worse, the average human is self absorbed and apathetic. This enables all of the truly evil to assert itself. Humanity is the sum of its choices and look where that leads. If it’s a battle of best vs worst natures, it’s become clear what side has prevailed.
Get off the internet and talk to some actual people
What do you mean by that? Real people are boring /s
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Nobody stops you you know… What an incredibly dumb comment…
it’s like when you cut a tub of ice cream to see the distribution
you can tell a platform hasn’t got a good mix of people if there aren’t any freaks or difficult bastards
It’s ok to be a freak. It’s not ok to be an asshole for the sake of being an asshole. We like the weirdos for the colourfulness they bring to our lives. No one likes an asshole.
Keep Lemmy weird. Don’t be an asshole. Live by these rules and this place will always be great.
We all have our moments (or so he tells himself). I’m not advocating being an asshole, but they do make things seem more real. I’ve been in online groups where everyone’s blandly cordial and it all feels lifeless.
You can be a difficult bastard without being mean though, it’s practically my whole job these days.
You’re gradually adjusting.
Actually I think being a difficult bastard, stubborn, or an arsehole is actually needed in certain contexts. Sometimes people are stubborn just because they can, sometimes it’s because they are defending themselves or someone else.
Dog Im on social media because Im the shit in the hole. When Im not on social media Im overall a pretty worthwhile person. Causation not correlation etc.
On lemmy you’re just arguing with the same piss enjoyers without a piss home due to lack of active communities. Lemmy is just ex Redditors acting like they are better than Redditors.
Redditors are cool. It’s the admin that can eat shit. I’d still be on that site if they weren’t greedy fucks.
I can’t imagine thinking redditors are cool. Not even redditors think redditors are cool.
Haha, cool as in I have no beef with them. If you thought I meant “hip” I’ll just say I can’t judge since I’ve been out of that game for a while, as evidenced by my use of “hip” in a sentence.
That’s hep of you, Daddy-O.
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Not “redditors” but the niche communities. But that’s a numbers and patience game and I’ve got time.
What’s a z+redditor? I also don’t fully know what counts as niche. I think I am in a couple of these and there are still assholes, some of which are the most active users or even mods. Some groups are okay but these are the exceptions and not the rules.
Typo
can confirm, had 100k comment karma before I left, definitely not cool
It’s a bit of a stretch to say they’re cool. For the most part they’re tolerable.
lmao
On lemmy search for a board and the same community is on every instance. A little bit of r/piss for everyone.
Go back then?
I’m not going to support a scummy corporate company because Lemmy’s users can sometimes be elitist.
But it’s just the same people right? Except they’re worse because they’re falsely self important.
(My experience on lemmy is 97% positive, I don’t agree with you at all)
I’ve been banned from all my favourite subs. So I have to create a new account, get past the new account posting limits, build rapport again in my communities…
too much work
hell i’m here specifically because i liked reddit but, y’know, didn’t like the actual reddit platform itself because it’s run by absolute wankers.
less cookers as a proportion, but far more tankies
I reported an account that was posting CP and they banned ME for report abuse and let them continue posting but removed one of their CP posts. Reddit is a cesspool.
I wonder if Reddit could be held legally liable for trafficking in CP in that case. They were explicitly told “this is CP and should be deleted” and they didn’t act.
No idea, it’s weird they reacted that way because I reported all three of the CP posts on that account instead of just the one though. Evidently they have some questionable staff.
They didn’t care for many years when /jailbait or /creepshots (pictures taken of women without their consent) was still a thing. It brought them traffic along with all their other porn subs
They only cared when advertisers caught wind of them & considered dropping out
From Wikipedia:
Communities devoted to explicit material saw rising popularity, and r/jailbait, which featured provocative shots of underage teenagers, became the chosen “subreddit of the year” in the “Best of reddit” user poll in 2008, and at one point, making “jailbait” the second most common search term for the site.[3] Erik Martin, general manager of Reddit, defended the subreddit by saying that such controversial pages were a consequence of allowing free speech on the site.[117]
Yeah I learned about this recently. Insane isn’t it?
Probably one of the admins alts.
Crazy to think about but maybe.
So that is ok but if you post to an “unapproved” subreddit (even if you are leaving a criticism of them) you get banned from subreddits by bots. Then you accidently post to one of them from a 2nd account and your account gets perma banned. Yay! “Reddit, a place for open discussion for only people we approve of subject to arbitrary rules.”
banned ME for report abuse
Wouldn’t be surprised if the poster was a mod.
Reddit teaches you to not argue with people more than absolutely necessary. It’s a waste of time. Just stop responding to them if you don’t want to talk.
no it doesn’t
Yes it does
I paid for an argument, this is just contradiction!
No it isn’t.
Nuh uh
En garde!
Sus username
This is just generally true of the internet as a whole
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From who? The Debian Taliban?
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We prefer being called debian fundamentalists, but yes…
“The So-Called Debian State”
IBM
Edit: also, I use Arch.
I use Arch(-based distro), btw
I commented that I had switched to Firefox browser from a chromium browser and that I was still using it but really didn’t like it and listed a few reasons why and got more down votes on that single comment than I’d ever gotten total on reddit. The condescending responses were something else. I almost deleted my account, like sorry, I clearly don’t subscribe to the lemmy hive mind, so I don’t belong here. I also don’t have strong feelings about Linux, guess I should get fucked.
As long as you’re not posting toxic stuff, you should just ignore downvotes because many people use them as disagree button instead of replying why they disagree with your points.
Additionally there’s downvote bots. They can even stick around with you. You comment, and a few seconds later you’ve got 25 downvotes.
I’ve had people (on both Reddit and Lemmy) go through my post history and put their single downvote on every one of my posts. What the hell is the point of that?
Well, the good thing about Lemmy is your downvotes don’t add up to some Karma like it did on Reddit. You’re free to state your opinion in one post without having to carry it around everywhere.
The total score is appearently stored on your user somewhere in the database but not displayed… Someone said. They lied?
I would assume it’s a hard thing to implement reliably in a system such a lemmy. You could just spin up your own instance and give yourself a ton of points if you really cared for the numbers.
That’s true… I wonder how it handles downvotes and upvotes on comments or posts, they are also replicated right? What if some instance goes into the db and changes those numbers?
Then it’s only changed on their instance. They’d need to create fake users and send votes for them. At that point others should be able to detect it as botting, at least if the impact is big enough.
I use Summit for my reader and it keeps a total post/comment score. Seems extremely inaccurate though
You can always go through someone’s comments and add up the scores
Sounds like a fun job… :)
You can do local counts as the instance owner can see that but afaik the who voted doesn’t federate. Might be wrong I need to go back through the docs.
I read that you can see who voted on kbin, so it should be federating for that to work
Kbin is different to lemmy but activitypub only shares certain data. Looking at the tech info the primary server only shares the count to the federation but would know who directly liked it. https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/#liked
Again, without testing on my own server it is hard for me to say with 100% confidence.
If you were on a linux or heavily privacy focused community, that’ll do it. I don;t mention that I use windows, I just say I’m looking into the swap to linux.
Which is weird because majority of the gaming and corporate world runs on Windows. I dual boot my systems so I have both available.
Reminds me of the time I got downvoted for saying that I’m not going to pre-emptively leave Chrome due to their plans to make adblock stop working until my adblock actually stops working.
What? Off with your head!
You can tell you’re perfectly in touch with the Lemmy use base by how your comment claiming they all are evil and hate you is upvoted a lot.
Reminds me of the “Everyone on reddit is a fucking moron” style posts and comments on reddit that would have like 10k up votes lol. I think the reason for it is everyone thinks they’re the exception
Firefox not having tab grouping native on mobile is the sole reason I won’t switch from chrome, i run adGuard as a vpn anyway so nothing google is doing will affect me.
But also - 20 is rookie numbers, i think i broke -400 on one of my reddit comments years ago, I don’t even remember what I said, I don’t think it was even political as I lean pretty left.
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I posted a link in !technology@lemmy.ml about how mozilla had ruined firefox, damm got a hell lot of downvotes and a bunch of comments who hadn’t even watched the video going ‘hurr durr google baddd’
Probably because mozilla didn’t ruin Firefox. Like at all. And the alternative is chrome which supports a global spyware system whose goal is ad revenue at the expense of the concept of privacy.
Whoops my bad this logical argument is invalid because I’m simply “hurr durr”-ing
Sorry that you feel that way but I can’t see why after checking out the comment. It has downvotes yes. But there’s only 1 out of the 5 replies that I could agree is condescending. And it’s at the very bottom. The other comments seem to be trying to be helpful (because your experience with firefox can easily be fixed). How would that make you almost delete your account? Unless I’m looking at the wrong comment.
I use Arch btw
go sudo pkill yourself
The program go is not installed. Install it by executing:
pkg install golang
I use Arch too btw
Not being an Arch user, I see that trend as redundant.
If half of what is said about Arch is true, the system by default tries to kill the user out of sheer exhaustion from keeping it running.
I run Garuda, which is an Arch derivative. Never had much of a problem with it. I update it once or twice a week.
One thing it does is take a snapshot of your previous system before updating, so if something from the update breaks your system, you can roll it back.
Or a windows user…
I will say my next PC I may try to go with a nix distro after being exposed to so many of the latest features, in no small party due to the sentiment on Lemmy.
Mind you, that doesn’t mean I won’t use windows but I am curious to try. The constant bashing though has gone from slightly unexpected to annoying to now just cute.
What… That hasn’t happened to me at all.
Arch btw.
I use Arch btw.
Oh what a coincidence! I use arch too, by the way.
Omg you use arch???
^me ^too
Loser
True I have yet to see Lemmy being any better. Although it’s good to see that even libtards are fleeing from Reddit.
You look lost try /c/politics
Reddit was great for things like “Can you recommend some Italian restaurants in the area?” Then you’d get downvoted for recommending some Italian restaurants in the area.
You needed to read between the lines. People were clearly looking for piss drinking tips…not actual Italian restaurants.
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Pretty sure all mod mail just went to a box that shocked a hamster everytime they got a message.
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My experience with Reddit mods:
You’ve been banned
Message mods asking why
You’ve been muted
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Bro imagine having the balls to give someone shit about taste while drinking your own piss
Seriously, what an asshole. Italian food is the tits.
You do realize this is a fake story right?
Nothing ever happens, and everyone is a bot but you
Solipsistic crisis intensifies
Are we the IA?
Yeah but I’ve met people who do similar things.
Knew a guy who would regularly eat what he called “hot sauce sandwiches” literally just bread with hot sauce on it.
He made fun of me for putting ketchup on my fries 🫠
I got into a reddit fight with someone claiming they never once tried to plug a USB in incorrectly. Another time I got down voted to hell because I asked someone why they go through so many pizza cutters. They claimed they went through like 7 in 3 years. Reddit was bad, but I miss the nostalgia of it. Too bad it only got worse and kicked off third party apps. .
I’ve only had 1 pizza cutter in my life ( which is my mum’s so technically none ) it’s gotta be like 20+ years old and still works to this day.
Exactly.
So, not manufactured in China?
What’s a potato?
I got into a reddit fight with someone claiming they never once tried to plug a USB in incorrectly.
How would you know?
They claimed they went through like 7 in 3 years.
Wild guess: they eat a lot of pizza lmao
Wild guess: they eat a lot of pizza lmao
Well, autism is pretty rife on Reddit
what has autism got to do with it lmao, do you think only autistic people binge pizza?
Yes I do
They were cutting pizza on a concrete block?
The site seems more like a piss hole.
Technically, this sub is a shit hole.
Lololol imagine thinking lemmy is better than reddit for those reasons 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have yet to have someone stalk me on Lemmy. Happened on Reddit all the time.
Yet. Reddit has been around for over a decade and has millions of users and lemmy has like a half million users. Lemmy isn’t better, there’s just a lot less of it. Duh.
Smaller is often better. See Usenet and the Eternal September.
For a site like reddit/lemmy, more is better. You need enough users that you can find any niche community u want.
I guess I would rather have less bots, trolls and angry assholes than have more niche communities.
I respect that, but I personally do value the goldmine of pragmatic advice and answers that virtually only reddit provided so quickly
Like with most things, more is better until it isn’t. Non-niche subreddits are night impossible to have any meaningful discussion on because there’s too much damn noise.
You can absolutely have the opposite example. I’m subbed to a bunch of niche Lemmy instances, and no one has posted anything in there for literally months.
Yup, that’s the trade-off. A reasonable solution is to use Reddit (with adblocking on) for niche discussion only and Lemmy for anything else.
yes, but it’s easier to create a smaller subreddit and get a sustainable subscriber base, than to create a niche community on lemmy and hope that people eventually stumble onto it.
What’s your opinion on* Italian sausage and parm?
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The people with the presence of mind, principles, and ability to leave reddit so seem to be better. I tend to like posts here better. That’ll change as better clients, more users and better stability come online though.
A platform is as good as it’s users. I left Reddit because it turned into a shithole. I’ll do the same with Lemmy if that happens.
I actually like the multiple smaller communities here, it’s part of the charm. If you think an instance is becoming too big just go to another one.
You can’t really do that on Reddit since everyone is on the same big instance.
Also leaving Reddit is the best thing for my mental health I’ve done in a while
Your opinions on Italian food are probably wrong and I love drinking piss
Lmfao
You and your conservacuck bumchums need to go back to Reddit and stay on Twitter fantasising about elon.
“People I disagree with are probably conservative.”
Oh no, you have to say that but use the words fascist now. That’s the new norm.
Well, “Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi” is usually a right-wing strawman. Usually.
Never voted GOP in my life. Try again.
Sometimes it only takes one comment to know my life will be better never seeing another. Blocked
It is great when a user make it easy for you to make that decision
I’ll take “examples of adult tantrums” for $100, Alex!
*…we still do Jeopardy jokes right…? *
The lowest dollar amount on Jeopardy! is $200 now and Alex Trebek has been dead since 2020, but yeah, I think so. Have an updoot.
Thx for the Jeopardy knowledge, Smeagol!
This is so fucking funny, thanks for reposting, OP. Rest in piss angry stranger.
Does anyone hear remember r/sinkpissers?
Sadly, yes. Also r/sounding…
Man we got some seriously screwed up people in this world.
One of those is just weird unsanitary behavior and the other is a kink to some.
Are you really going to conflate kink shaming and misbehavior shaming?
Pissing into the sink is hot… that was the kink, right?
I mean really, they’re both strong candidates for misbehavior depending on context. I couldn’t care less if someone peed in their own sink (and hopefully rinsed at least after).
Once you’re peeing in a public restroom’s sink… You’re almost certainly risking indecent exposure, which is misconduct.
Sounding, it’s mostly about consent. It’s weird enough that I’d argue it definitely requires consent to even see it in an adult context. lol
I’ll upvote you for the point you’re going for. I didn’t wanna dig this one up, but if the community still exists, go get some eye bleach…
r/makemesuffermore
F Reddit and F Spez
Sounding is just a kink. A really weird one, but a kink nonetheless. Think it’s really just an alternative way to pleasure the prostate or something?
If yah want the actually fizzityucked urethral insertion subreddit you had to go to r/peehole. Which is the second subreddit to permanently traumatize me enough to stop using r/randnsfw.
Oh sweetheart, if you think sounding is a “really weird” kink, you need to get off the internet yesterday to preserve your innocence. Putting things in your (or any) dick for pleasure is nothing compared to, say, hard vore, gore / mutilation, or edge play.
I have some weird kinks, but sounding is about as vanilla as they come. As long as you aren’t using a rose stem or something…
I find it weird, but it’s not like it really bothers me at all. Same with guro, it’s weird, but just makes me go “whatever”.
Seeing a woman shove both a buttplug and a penis up her urethra however? That does make me question things…
wait edge play is what you consider hardcore? that’s more vanilla than sounding to me
I think you’ve got the term mixed up; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgeplay
I guess the first time wasn’t enough hahaha
God nooooo not sounding
What… went on in that sub?
People pissing in sinks believe it or not.
Which is pretty bitchin’ really, it’s like a poor man’s urinal.
Haha hey I’ve had to piss in a sink once or twice
Like Patches O Houlahan from Dodgeball once said:
“I drink my own piss because its sterile and I like the taste!”
Not sure where that thing about urine being sterile came from, but no, it most certainly isn’t!
I assume the thinking is because it’s toxic, nothing lives in it. It’s an incorrect assumption, there are bacteria in it, but that’s probably where the misconception comes from.
I looked it up and found this:
For years, even doctors believed urine was sterile. The myth goes back 50 years, Hilt said, when a screening method for kidney infections was developed. It was a simple and easy test that was soon applied to bladder infections, too.
But the test involved culturing only a small amount of urine in open air, at a temperature of 95 degrees Fahrenheit (35 degrees Celsius) for 24 hours. Not all bacteria grow in those conditions.
Stop trying to explain jokes Gary, just enjoy the fucking things and smile. If someone is done enough to believe anything from a random comment fuckem lettem nature themselves away.
It’s a common misconception. I say let them spread the facts, Joel
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To be fair it happens here. Made a comment about far left & right being manipulated by Russian BS about Ukraine and some very tedious people started at me about how Ukraine are Nazis etc. I suppose it demonstrated my point in a roundabout way.
People here love to act like this stuff is exclusive to reddit when it is in fact a thing called “human nature” and can be observed anywhere there are people.
Yeah, it’s pretty much everywhere on the internet. It’s not unique to reddit or any other site.
“human nature” TIl being an asshole is human nature.
I was playing with randos on Ghost Recon Breakpoint and some slavic sounding dude was trying to explain Putin is cleansing Ukraine of Nazis. I was like, buddy, he better start with himself.
There are many valid problems with the Ukraine and it’s history. There are many conversations one could have about it and what the world should be doing in response to their situation.
The whole “They are Nazis!” argument doesn’t hold water the moment you carry their view point onto something like the US and ask the exact same questions.
