Gentoo is for people that are masochists
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That’s still totally insane. I get the appeal of compiling everything from source but it ain’t for me. Btw, Firefox is on version 115 right now. Is there any particular reason you’re going for 102, if you don’t mind me asking?
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How long does the Linux kernel take?
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Thanks for your reply. I have to admit a stripped down kernel sounds intriguing. Maybe I’ll switch from Arch to Gentoo some day after all!
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Great idea to use GPT for that! Been wanting to trim mine down for a while; will give it a shot.
With a decent CPU the kernel compiles pretty fast. I’m using a default configuration with modules disabled (compiled in) and various settings enabled/optimized for my hardware, and this is what I get:
make -j24 real 2m16.357s user 38m36.133s sys 4m26.449sdeleted by creator
Yep that was after make clean :). Running a 12-core Ryzen 9 that’s a few years old and 64GB RAM; using 24 threads does speed it up quite a lot.
Edit: to be sure, I completely removed the source directory and re-emerged
gentoo-sourcesand got similar results
For compile or for boot?
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Thanks, I appreciate your answer!
That’s still totally insane.
And that’s just Firefox. Sometimes I get annoyed if pacman presents me with a long list even though it takes a few minutes max.
Firefox ESR, probably
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Firefox 115 actually happens to be an ESR release, by the way. So, you can probably upgrade to that right now. You just couldn’t upgrade throughout 103–114…
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To compile a web browser, they do provide you with a binary in the official Gentoo repos
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Mine take 30 minutes. I usually do it when I’m not using the machine
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Modify niceness of portage.
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1 hr compile time over 10 threads? Somethings off, and you said you’re on laptop.
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Hey!
We’re people who are masochists! :D
(That said, I use Arch now … by the way 🤣Will probably switch back eventually. May try Funtoo? Hm. 🤷♀)If you are a masochist, try running librebooted GNU guix
↑ This guy carefully chooses his hardware.
I’ve always found this take to be quite funny. You’re right but it is an incredible learning experience if you have the time for it. Otherwise, its incredibly stable and you can control any aspect. So I’d say more if you’re a masochist who’s also a sadist.
I find your outlook very misguided and arrogant.
There are reasons why there are so many GNU Linux flavors. Developers of those flavors make choices on the behalf of user (which reminds me of windows). Gentoo doesn’t make decisions for you, but you make decisions for yourself.
FOSS at its roots, is source. You are supposed to build all those softwares you use on your machine. All these pre built distro have given you convenience which you take for granted.
Gentoo is definitely not for a person who can’t afford a beefy machine, and once you have all your softwares and dependencies compiled and ready, you really don’t have to go through that long process again.
FOSS isn’t about building from source though. It’s about making software accessible without restrictions on who uses it and how it’s used.
By the way Gentoo is also giving you convenience compared to Slackware or building Linux from scratch.
Ah, Slackware is such a beast. No dependency management! I wonder how someone would run Gentoo/Slackware as a daily driver, maybe I’m too noob for this
I haven’t run Slackware in two decades, but back then it was sort of like, install almost everything (A, AP,N, etc) at once, have your home on a different partition and nuke-reinstall every four months.
No…the whole idea behind free software is that you can build from source and can even modify and contribute because it’s free. There’s no moral imperative to use CPU cycles and energy to do everything on your own computer.
It is pretty cool that Gentoo’s Portage extends the Ports tree concept to the base operating system, though. I used to use it but at a certain point I decided it was too much of a time suck. I hopped around distros and nowadays use Arch. If I get tired of Arch, it’ll probably be Fedora unless they go the way of Ubuntu and Windows.
I use a Linux distribution. More information is not required.
Android?
How dare you
MacOS
This guy linuxes
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I use Mint. Please help me tie my shoelaces.
I’m with you.
Some of us just are happy to be on Linux at all.
Fair point :D
Fake news! Gentoo would still be at the train station loading its cargo for at least a week.
emerge that world, pls.
emerge -uDN @ trainstation
I use LFS btw /j
Lfs actually took me like 10 1/2 hours to finish building.
I would never use that as a daily driver.
It’s about the learning process
Writing kernel modules and changing kernel code would be a better excuse to recompile the linux kernel
Me, on Fedora, wondering when the wiretapping begins.
(I’m hoping they step it back, else it’s Debian for me 🙃)
If that makes you feel better, the proposed telemetry as yet to be approved by the Fedora board and in all cases it would be opt-in (off by default). Debian is great and it has been my main for many years, but Fedora is more suitable for daily use thanks to its more frequent update schedule (my opinion). I would be sad to go back to Debian on my desktop and laptop :(
What’s your problem with Debian? Use Flatpack to get the latest version of your apps you should be okay.
Flatpak gnome? Flatpak mesa? Some core utilities are not that simple to upgrade. Why bother to fiddle with Backports and unstable repos when you get the fresh stuff out of the box with Fedora, without sacrificing on robustness?
I switched to Fedora when I got myself a new AMD GPU after Doom eternal came out, and I was frustrated to miss out on some performance because of older mesa drivers. I would switch back now to Debian bookworm, it would probably not make a difference anymore as my hardware is several years old. Still I find the experience with Fedora to be smoother and well polished overall.
I get your point… but advocating for Fedora is sending people into opt-out telemetry. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/07/fedora-considering-adding-in-privacy-preserving-telemetry/
The telemetry change is still only a proposal, it may not make it into any Fedora release. We can discuss this again if they do plan it for a release.
The fact that someone even proposed that clearly shows the intentions and the kind of management the project has. Much like Golang, straight to the evil/greedy pile.
What will you do if I go to the Debian developers Mail-List today and propose to add opt-out usage telemetry? Will you insta-quite Debian? No, you will wait to see if the dev team accepts or rejects the proposal. It’s the same situation here with Fedora.
Isn’t the kernel much older over at Debian? So newer hardware will have struggles getting some things to work with Debian if unlucky.
Debian 12 is on longterm 6.1 kernel and 6.3 and 6.4 are the current stable versions. Frankly I never had issues with Debian’s kernel version, unless you have some very specific use case it shouldn’t affect you. Debian always goes for stability and security above the latest shinny thing that that’s precisely the reason it works so well.
Oh then im wrong then. I have specific end use case so I just assumed it was a much older kernel considering their conservative response towards GNOME and etc.
You aren’t technically wrong, Debian will be “stuck” with 6.1 for some time time now, but there’s also ways to have the latest kernel in Debian, most of them are about going for the unstable / backports repositories. The thing is that once you go that road you might lose stability comfort that Debian provides and that that point why not simply go with Arch?
Or just use the #nix package manager.
Thin end of the wedge. It would obviously be opt-in, off by default, to start with. Then you swap that over for new installs, so that long-term users aren’t affected and don’t complain. Then you make it on by default for everyone, since most installs are on already and you might as well.
That’s what I hoping for, because it’s sick being nearly up to date while being so stable and user friendly at the same time.
Gentoo was a lot of fun back in college. Broke a lot. Learned a lot.
Now I use Fedora.
Nobara user here, fedora is a really nice baseline to work from.
Emerge!
I use debian!
crickets
I use NixOS BTW.
Laughs in Linux from scratch
Fuck you, I use Nix OS
Hey that isn’t how you convert people to the cult of NixOS
Ayo, I didn’t mean to scold or curse anyone here. Please don’t misunderstand and if you’ve misunderstood me, I’m extremely sorry. It was like, there is this other train, smashing the train by saying " I use Gentoo" right? Similarly, another big destroyer or threat, falls upon both, Nd says the punch line. That’s what I intended to say. I didn’t had a meme template or patience to make a meme at the time. But, u see this enclosed picture. A similar thing I tried to recreate with a very very low effort.
I’m sorry, of I have offended someone!
I was joking don’t worry about it lol
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Gentoo is pretty fucking cool but I love fedora too :D
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https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/
I had really hoped you were kidding but ran a search knowing you weren’t, so my disappointment is my fault alone.
UwUntu
Third train: HAHA I USE NIXOS B. T. W.
