Flatpak gnome? Flatpak mesa? Some core utilities are not that simple to upgrade. Why bother to fiddle with Backports and unstable repos when you get the fresh stuff out of the box with Fedora, without sacrificing on robustness?
I switched to Fedora when I got myself a new AMD GPU after Doom eternal came out, and I was frustrated to miss out on some performance because of older mesa drivers. I would switch back now to Debian bookworm, it would probably not make a difference anymore as my hardware is several years old. Still I find the experience with Fedora to be smoother and well polished overall.
The fact that someone even proposed that clearly shows the intentions and the kind of management the project has. Much like Golang, straight to the evil/greedy pile.
What will you do if I go to the Debian developers Mail-List today and propose to add opt-out usage telemetry? Will you insta-quite Debian? No, you will wait to see if the dev team accepts or rejects the proposal. It’s the same situation here with Fedora.
No need to insta-quit Debian, devs are most likely to simply ignore you or send you a ton of bricks reply. The problem with the Fedora community is that it has been taken as a serious option.
What you’re missing here is that Debian, already has some usage telemetry in the form of the package popularity-contest with stats available here https://popcon.debian.org/. This package is optional (not installed by default) you simply get a prompt at setup asking if you want to participate with the option NO highlighted as default. This how things should be done and what GDPR also pushes for - not a “on by default” with an option to disable it hidden somewhere.
Flatpak gnome? Flatpak mesa? Some core utilities are not that simple to upgrade. Why bother to fiddle with Backports and unstable repos when you get the fresh stuff out of the box with Fedora, without sacrificing on robustness?
I switched to Fedora when I got myself a new AMD GPU after Doom eternal came out, and I was frustrated to miss out on some performance because of older mesa drivers. I would switch back now to Debian bookworm, it would probably not make a difference anymore as my hardware is several years old. Still I find the experience with Fedora to be smoother and well polished overall.
I get your point… but advocating for Fedora is sending people into opt-out telemetry. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/07/fedora-considering-adding-in-privacy-preserving-telemetry/
The telemetry change is still only a proposal, it may not make it into any Fedora release. We can discuss this again if they do plan it for a release.
The fact that someone even proposed that clearly shows the intentions and the kind of management the project has. Much like Golang, straight to the evil/greedy pile.
What will you do if I go to the Debian developers Mail-List today and propose to add opt-out usage telemetry? Will you insta-quite Debian? No, you will wait to see if the dev team accepts or rejects the proposal. It’s the same situation here with Fedora.
No need to insta-quit Debian, devs are most likely to simply ignore you or send you a ton of bricks reply. The problem with the Fedora community is that it has been taken as a serious option.
What you’re missing here is that Debian, already has some usage telemetry in the form of the package
popularity-contestwith stats available here https://popcon.debian.org/. This package is optional (not installed by default) you simply get a prompt at setup asking if you want to participate with the option NO highlighted as default. This how things should be done and what GDPR also pushes for - not a “on by default” with an option to disable it hidden somewhere.