If that makes you feel better, the proposed telemetry as yet to be approved by the Fedora board and in all cases it would be opt-in (off by default).
Debian is great and it has been my main for many years, but Fedora is more suitable for daily use thanks to its more frequent update schedule (my opinion). I would be sad to go back to Debian on my desktop and laptop :(
Flatpak gnome? Flatpak mesa? Some core utilities are not that simple to upgrade. Why bother to fiddle with Backports and unstable repos when you get the fresh stuff out of the box with Fedora, without sacrificing on robustness?
I switched to Fedora when I got myself a new AMD GPU after Doom eternal came out, and I was frustrated to miss out on some performance because of older mesa drivers. I would switch back now to Debian bookworm, it would probably not make a difference anymore as my hardware is several years old. Still I find the experience with Fedora to be smoother and well polished overall.
The fact that someone even proposed that clearly shows the intentions and the kind of management the project has. Much like Golang, straight to the evil/greedy pile.
What will you do if I go to the Debian developers Mail-List today and propose to add opt-out usage telemetry? Will you insta-quite Debian? No, you will wait to see if the dev team accepts or rejects the proposal. It’s the same situation here with Fedora.
No need to insta-quit Debian, devs are most likely to simply ignore you or send you a ton of bricks reply. The problem with the Fedora community is that it has been taken as a serious option.
What you’re missing here is that Debian, already has some usage telemetry in the form of the package popularity-contest with stats available here https://popcon.debian.org/. This package is optional (not installed by default) you simply get a prompt at setup asking if you want to participate with the option NO highlighted as default. This how things should be done and what GDPR also pushes for - not a “on by default” with an option to disable it hidden somewhere.
Debian 12 is on longterm 6.1 kernel and 6.3 and 6.4 are the current stable versions. Frankly I never had issues with Debian’s kernel version, unless you have some very specific use case it shouldn’t affect you. Debian always goes for stability and security above the latest shinny thing that that’s precisely the reason it works so well.
Oh then im wrong then. I have specific end use case so I just assumed it was a much older kernel considering their conservative response towards GNOME and etc.
You aren’t technically wrong, Debian will be “stuck” with 6.1 for some time time now, but there’s also ways to have the latest kernel in Debian, most of them are about going for the unstable / backports repositories. The thing is that once you go that road you might lose stability comfort that Debian provides and that that point why not simply go with Arch?
Thin end of the wedge. It would obviously be opt-in, off by default, to start with. Then you swap that over for new installs, so that long-term users aren’t affected and don’t complain. Then you make it on by default for everyone, since most installs are on already and you might as well.
If that makes you feel better, the proposed telemetry as yet to be approved by the Fedora board and in all cases it would be opt-in (off by default). Debian is great and it has been my main for many years, but Fedora is more suitable for daily use thanks to its more frequent update schedule (my opinion). I would be sad to go back to Debian on my desktop and laptop :(
What’s your problem with Debian? Use Flatpack to get the latest version of your apps you should be okay.
Flatpak gnome? Flatpak mesa? Some core utilities are not that simple to upgrade. Why bother to fiddle with Backports and unstable repos when you get the fresh stuff out of the box with Fedora, without sacrificing on robustness?
I switched to Fedora when I got myself a new AMD GPU after Doom eternal came out, and I was frustrated to miss out on some performance because of older mesa drivers. I would switch back now to Debian bookworm, it would probably not make a difference anymore as my hardware is several years old. Still I find the experience with Fedora to be smoother and well polished overall.
I get your point… but advocating for Fedora is sending people into opt-out telemetry. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/07/fedora-considering-adding-in-privacy-preserving-telemetry/
The telemetry change is still only a proposal, it may not make it into any Fedora release. We can discuss this again if they do plan it for a release.
The fact that someone even proposed that clearly shows the intentions and the kind of management the project has. Much like Golang, straight to the evil/greedy pile.
What will you do if I go to the Debian developers Mail-List today and propose to add opt-out usage telemetry? Will you insta-quite Debian? No, you will wait to see if the dev team accepts or rejects the proposal. It’s the same situation here with Fedora.
No need to insta-quit Debian, devs are most likely to simply ignore you or send you a ton of bricks reply. The problem with the Fedora community is that it has been taken as a serious option.
What you’re missing here is that Debian, already has some usage telemetry in the form of the package
popularity-contestwith stats available here https://popcon.debian.org/. This package is optional (not installed by default) you simply get a prompt at setup asking if you want to participate with the option NO highlighted as default. This how things should be done and what GDPR also pushes for - not a “on by default” with an option to disable it hidden somewhere.Isn’t the kernel much older over at Debian? So newer hardware will have struggles getting some things to work with Debian if unlucky.
Debian 12 is on longterm 6.1 kernel and 6.3 and 6.4 are the current stable versions. Frankly I never had issues with Debian’s kernel version, unless you have some very specific use case it shouldn’t affect you. Debian always goes for stability and security above the latest shinny thing that that’s precisely the reason it works so well.
Oh then im wrong then. I have specific end use case so I just assumed it was a much older kernel considering their conservative response towards GNOME and etc.
You aren’t technically wrong, Debian will be “stuck” with 6.1 for some time time now, but there’s also ways to have the latest kernel in Debian, most of them are about going for the unstable / backports repositories. The thing is that once you go that road you might lose stability comfort that Debian provides and that that point why not simply go with Arch?
@TCB13 @synapse1278
Or just use the #nix package manager.
Thin end of the wedge. It would obviously be opt-in, off by default, to start with. Then you swap that over for new installs, so that long-term users aren’t affected and don’t complain. Then you make it on by default for everyone, since most installs are on already and you might as well.
That’s what I hoping for, because it’s sick being nearly up to date while being so stable and user friendly at the same time.