Air is better than water

  • zurohki@aussie.zone
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    1 year ago

    It’s definitely easier, simpler and cheaper.

    Water cooling can be quieter, though. Some big radiators and you can cool a gaming PC with hardly any airflow.

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      Yep, it’s the GPU fans that are the real noisy ones. I can tolerate a noctua CPU cooler but GPU’s are like jet engines under load.

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    Remember kids, if you’re ever feeling useless, you’ll always be more useful than a 120mm AIO.

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    It’s a fun thing to do. I like my setup (O11 dynamic XL, two 360mm rads, dual pumps, both CPU and GPU blocks), but I wouldn’t necessarily recommend it to anyone. It’s a lot of effort and expense for a little gain. But it’s a hobby on top of a hobby, and that’s fine if you want to go for it.

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      Yeah, I’m CPU/GPU cooled for a good while now (4-5y). It’s a lot of efforts and make it harder to upgrade. You gain a bit of silence, but it’s really not worth for most people. Like you said, it’s more of a hobbit than anything.

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        Yeah, upgrading is definitely a pain and more costly. Redoing the tubes if you went with hard tubing is part of it. If you didn’t go with some generic waterblocks you’re stuck with them fitted to the motherboard and good luck reassembling the fan cooler on the gpu if you kept the 50 small screws that held it all together.

        That said, I personally won’t go back to air cooled. The low noise and steady temperature are worth it IMO.

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    I think it depends on the use case. Personally, I simply don’t jive with the idea of conductive liquids swirling inside my expensive PC.

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      It’s simple for me. Points of failures of air cooling: fans. Failure states: fan fails, system heat protection kicks in and shuts down.

      Water cooling? Points of failure: fans, pumps, tubbings, fittings. Failure states: fan fails (best case), worst case? Liquid goes over electronics while they are powered.

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      You’re supposed to use distilled water which is not conductive. At least that used to be the case last I saw liquid cooling.

      In the end it’s simply not worth it for me. You still need to radiate the heat out, which usually means a big fan, which most air coolers nowadays have anyways.

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        I think water is rather rare as a coolant these days. Organics (chemical sense not farming sense) like propylene glycol or some kind of glyme aren’t potentially corrosive to metals if spilled, are harder to grow shit in, have lower volatility, and have a higher thermal limit. Maybe also with a little bit of antifouling agent thrown in. My main gripe with them is that if you do spill them, they don’t evaporate and you’re slipping over the floor for the next few days because you missed a spot.

        But yeah, air cooling ftw

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        No coolant is non-conductive after it leaks. It will mix with dust that has built up on the surfaces of the components and become conductive.

        The main reason for distilled water is to prevent corrosion and deposits forming inside the loop.

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        Liquid coolers are by definition just an extra heat exchange step unless you’re venting heat into the ocean or something like a nuclear plant. Otherwise, the atmosphere is your final heat sink either way.

        Unless a liquid cooling radiator is significantly larger than the air cooler that would fit directly on the CPU there’s no point whatsoever.

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          there’s no point whatsoever

          I’ve been building my own PCs for a looong time, and I’ve been skeptical of using water cooling in any of my machines.

          This changed recently for me, when I got my first 4000 series nvidia gpu, that fucker is huge! And it runs hot, spewing all of its heat directly into the middle of the case. I had serious concerns with this gpu + massive cpu air cooler getting in the way of positive airflow through my case.

          And this is where water cooling made perfect sense to me: transport the heat away from the cpu, thus clearing a ton of space from the middle of the case, then have a radiator at the top of the case dissipate that cpu heat.

          This allows for a ton of air to go through my case, evacuating all of that heat blowing out of the gpu. This also allows for other heat sinks on the mobo and other components to passively cool better

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    Molten Salt cooling. That can handle CPU temperatures of several million degrees. Your CPU may not handle that, but that’s not my problem.

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    Not necessarily, but one, it’s a lot cheaper, two, air leaks are not a problem.

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      Yes, this is the best argument in favor of air cooling. Air cooling has less points of failure.

      With water cooling there’s tons of potential problems that “haha wind go brrrr cooling” just doesn’t produce: Water block gummed up with mold? Take a performance hit. Pump dead? Sucks to be you. Leak in the system? Enjoy replacing your motherboard.

      Main issue you might encounter in air cooling is just “fan died, replace fan”. (Obviously not counting thermal interface materials since they are required for both cooling solutions)

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        Air cooling has less points of failure.

        One of the main reasons why brand name workstations and servers are still air cooled… and will probably be for a very long time.

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          There are some data centers that are water cooled though. I know OVH uses water cooling for some of its servers, and also seems to be developing immersion cooling.

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    Technically, no, air is a much worse thermal conductor, and most liquids are significantly better. It’s a pretty efficient thermal INSULATOR, however.

    The practical applications, however, make the movement of air OUT of your system an efficient cooling method.

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      Not trying to be contrarian or a smart-ass, but aren’t water cooled systems kinda just air cooled systems with the radiator moved elsewhere?

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        Yes. The advantage is that you can make the surface area of the air cooling part much, much larger. I had a water cooled system that could do web browsing and other basic tasks with zero fan speed (though it was better to leave it on very low speed to avoid hunting behavior).

        Also, there’s some benefits to thermal mass. Short term spikes can be absorbed by the water without increasing fan speed.

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          I had a water cooled system that could do web browsing and other basic tasks with zero fan speed

          Isn’t that the default for (air cooled) notebooks?

          • Björn Tantau@swg-empire.de
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            I once built a home theatre PC that was completely passively cooled. The case was basically the entire heat sink. It got the heat from the CPU through heatpipes. Unfortunately the shitty motherboard died due to unreleased reasons and since then I didn’t have the time or money to revive it.

            The cases aren’t even built anymore. No idea why, it was really cool.

      • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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        Every liquid cooling system is pretty much that. Eventually you need to give it to the outside and the outside is usually air. Heck even river cooling for Power plants ends up “air cooling” through the rivers surface.

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        I think that the point is to get a much bigger radiator by moving it to a less cramped location. The point is to make the process more efficient, not to change its nature.

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      Usually copper heatpipes that are found in most air coolers have a drop of liquid in them to boost perfomance.

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      I once had a PC with watercooling. It died because I was drinking with a friend and wanted to show it off. So I removed the sidepanel and my drunken self tipped the beer bottle which promptly spilled over the running mainboard. Welp, it was some form of water that killed my PC I guess.

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    A big ass CPU heat sync and fan like that is usually at least as good as most water cooling options. Often times it scores higher on performance tests. It depends on your exact hardware of course.

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    Small form factor computers are a lot easier with water cooling. That way the GPU can be put right next to the motherboard, and the CPU radiator moved away from that area.

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    I literally just installed an NHD-15 and it dropped my idle temps 10 degrees vs my old AIO. Load temps are about 5-10 degrees cooler, too.

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      IMO, if you aren’t using at least a 360mm radiator there’s not a lot of point water cooling.

      The point of water cooling is that you can transfer the heat from the heat producing component out to a large surface area by physically moving the hot liquid. 2x 360mm radiators give you a ton of cooling capacity. 1x 240mm? You can do almost as well for much less money with a really nice air cooler.

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        I’d also offer that it allows you to dump all the heat outside the case and avoid warming other components (assuming you put the radiator on an exhaust fan). This is a benefit with any size of radiator.