The 0.18 version of Lemmy was announced. This will solve many issues.

But we can’t upgrade yet because the captcha was removed, and captcha relied on Websockets, which are removed in 0.18 so despite the devs agreeing on my request to add captcha back, this will not be until 0.18.1. Without captcha we will be overrun by bots.

Hopefully this 0.18.1 will be released soon, because another issue is that the newest version of the Jerboa app won’t work with servers older than 0.18. So if you’re on Lemmy.world, please (temporarily) use another app or the web version.

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    The Dev’s stubbornness about captchas is a little baffling. Yes, they’re not 100% foolproof but they help.

    It’s like arguing that we shouldn’t have locks on or our doors because a skilled lock picker can get past them.

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        That only happened recently, though. For weeks they were replying to instance admins requests to reinstate captchas with things like “bots have beaten captchas, so they’re useless.”

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            My mistake, I understood admins had been asking for the return of captchas as soon as they were removed.

            Still, it took a few days for the devs to agree to reinstate them, which, combined with the general tone seem in that second link, is what gave me the impression that they were reluctant to do so.

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              In open-source projects and communities, it’s often a bad idea to go around looking for (or inventing) conflicts among contributors. It can come across as drama-seeking or trolling.

              In software engineering in general, a common reason that a desirable feature has not been written yet is that the people who know & work on the code only have so many hands, and so many hours in the day, and there are other things that also need doing.

              This service is undergoing rapid development. Spam & abuse problems are things that folks who have run Internet services before are well aware of. It’s not like anyone is going to give up and let spam bots ruin the thing they’re building.

              I doubt anyone wants to build a service that becomes 95+% spam & abuse, ya know?

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      My very first post on Lemmy was a (admittedly out-of-date) rant about the devs stubbornness about the hardcoded bad words filter and their behavior in the relevant GitHub issues. And I had people jumping in the comments defending them, telling me that it was fixed years ago, they’re better now, surely that couldn’t possibly happen again.

      I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.

      ETA: and yeah, I know about kbin, I’ve tried both, kinda waiting to see all the new Android native apps before completely moving over there. Seeing how all this shakes out.

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    Is this why there’s still a ton of slowness on Lemmy despite the slowness said to be resolved? Because I still can’t efficiently use Lemmy, if I’m being honest.

    Also, has the Top Day sorting become broken? A community will show as blank for me now when I sort by Top Day.

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    Ok so guys, I appreciate the devs of Jerboa for doing what they do, but I am absolutely switching to another app immediately when something else decent shows up.

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      How does it compare to wefwef.app ? I’ve been using it a couple of days and it’s been pretty sweet so far. Found it on r/apolloapp.

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        I just checked this out. Until a better native app is created, I feel like this is by far the best choice for using the site on mobile. Good find 👍

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          Connect is great, but take a look at Liftoff. It’s even better. I think we’ll see better apps than reddit ever had soon.

          Edit: Releases since it’ not on F-Droid or Playstore yet.

          Edit: fixed link to releases.

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            Liftoff has no way to change font size yet. I find the text too small for easy reading. Trying all the apps at moment. Jerboa is fine, but currently cannot login until lemmy.world is updated. Connect seems to work ok. Basically they are all still a work in progress, but usable.

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    Jerboa just quit when I tried using it on Android - Pixel 5 w/Android 12. Wouldn’t open at all, so I quit on it. Trying out Summit now

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    Should’ve read this first. I was getting that instance outdated popup on jerboa app, thought a logout and re-login would resolve it. Now I can’t login, my mistake…

    • 𝕭𝖚𝖑𝖚 𝕺𝖓𝖙𝖆@lemmy.world
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      there’s a couple of points here

      1. current website is version 0.17.4 (you can check this at the very bottom)
      2. version 0.18 is ready, but there’s no captcha yet (the thing where you have to identify objects on squares, or click a box that’ll turn into checkmark)
      3. without captcha, bot accounts (not real users) can register to the site too easily
      4. so we’re gonna wait for version 0.18.1, the one with captcha active.
      5. the Jerboa app, the android app for browsing Lemmy has also recently updated, and will only work for Lemmy version 0.18 up, thus it’s advised to use another app or just the web for now

      note : the site version 0.18 is already out for the main Lemmy instance, which is lemmy.ml, but lemmy.world (where we are now) is gonna wait for version 0.18.1

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        I’m using Jerboa and everything seems to be working fine. Edit: Jerboa started playing up mainly crashing on opening it. Binned it off and now using Connect

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          I first thought my Jerboa was fine (despite the popup warning about version), since I could browse a bit without it obviously exploding. But no, it crashes regularly now (closes, no warning or messages).

          I don’t understand why a Lemmy update would be considered for release that removes security features like captcha support. (Especially during this time of high rates of signups, and well known bot wave in some instances.)

          Combined with Jerboa update that needs the Lemmy update, and popularity of instances that need captcha, it’s unfortunately causing a mess for many users.

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            yeah i agree. This setup is really dumb. I just joined and this took way too much fiddling already for new ‘simple’ reddit users. Helps i’m used to linux.

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    So that’s why Jerboa crashes as soon as I log in.

    Moved to Connect, happy with that.

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    I just updated and it gave me an error on jerboa but it still seems to be working fine