Preferably one that doesn’t censor search results. Like DuckDuckGo, apparently
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Disclaimer: Kagi user here.
Searches are not pay-per-use anymore. But you still have to be logged in to search. The premise is, that they don’t store your searches. It is not their business model. You are the paying customer, not the ad firms. This is, ultimately, not verifiable. It comes down to some sort of trust. And I do trust in them. The developers are actually great guys, there is a discord where they answer immediately, and a discourse forum where you can submit bugs/features, etc.
They take a strong stance on freedom. They refused to implement a suicide prevention message, as they felt, that it wasbnot the job of the search engine to patronize the user.
There is such a thing as a ‘session link’. You can get it from you account. With this, I don’t think cookies are necesary. But the link expires so you have to do it probably every few days anew.
The thing is: I want to aupport them. They have cool features (up/downranking websites, GPT-4 access over their proxy, etc.) Is it better than self-hosting: no. But I don’t wanna self-host. And search is something that costs. So any service that does not live off donations or some sort of payment, is suspicious.
I hope I explained some of my reasons. Please debunk me and make me cancel my subscription there if I am in the wrong. Im not a shill and actually interested in your concerns :)
This has so many red flags to it.
Logged in search with them knowing your payment info is significantly more privacy invasive then logged out Google search.
Their business model is “trust me bro”. Which if you take marketing at face value then Google must be taking your privacy seriously, right?
They supposedly take a stance on freedom and transparency… Yet they use Discord lol.
The refusal of a suicide prevention mention is just straight up fucked up. It doesn’t change results, and that extra small message that costs them nothing and could save a life. There’s literally no downside and only upsides.
I agree that Kagi isn’t great from a privacy perspective. But in regards to clearing cookies, they do have a session link feature that uses a token to avoid the need to sign in all the time.
The quality and customization of their search results are great
This was particularly visible on far right subreddits where they began heavily recommending yandex. Because that makes sense. Swapping from a privacy-centric search engine to a literal Russian propaganda conveyor belt? Yeah, sure. No clue how many bit the bait.
Thanks for the context info. Saved me a search for it.
Kagi, but I hope it legit turns into a contest in a race to the top
Not a private alternative as you need an account
I bounce around a few public Sear instances, its working great for me
I am using metager, but am not sure what qualifies as ‘best’ as I did not do much comparison.
I have found LibreX/LibreY to be quite good, as long as you use a stable instance
I’ve been using Whoogle lately but used Startpage for a while too
Kagi. But I use Whoogle public instance and pretty happy with it 🙂
I might start using Whoogle too, since Kagi is paid :)
If there were no problems with payment from Russia, then I would gladly pay for kagi. but unfortunately there is no such possibility due to sanctions 🙁
Can you get ahold of crypto? They take bitcoin and i pay for it using monero via trocador.app
Large commissions when replenishing a wallet/transfers, and Kagi itself is quite expensive for me to afford it)
Ah. They do have a $5 plan if you werent aware. But large commissions i can understand would be a problem
300 searches per month? phthhthtpttpphppt, pre one day, maybe would be ok :)
I am still on my 100 search free trial and its been over a month. Apparently i only average like 2-2.2 searches per day.
I’m fine with DuckDuckGoLite. If I really wanted to have granular control though, I’d spin up my own private searx instance.
Does DuckDuckGoLite display the same search results as DuckDuckGo? if so, I might aswell use regular DuckDuckGo
It does. I just prefer it to regular ddg.
I don’t know if these are the same but I quite like ddg html. I still don’t fully trust them because ‘murica but I haven’t heard of anything from them yet. I will probably switch to selfhosted librex sometime.
DDG HTML is quite similar to Lite, IIRC Lite does have some JS involved as opposed to HTML version, but I could be wrong.
DDG is Microsoft Bing under the hood, so yeah, not ideal. DDG also made some controversial changes when the Russia/Ukraine war started, but at least for me, I just didn’t see any lesser evils in the room that could still get me the results I needed.
I’ve tried Brave Search and it’s impressive what they’ve done, but their monetization model via Crypto is unlikely to pan out and I don’t see them lasting long unless they can find a way to monetize without crypto and ad revenue.
As far as searx is concerned, it just pulls in a bunch of other search engine results and I’m not sure if it just ends up supporting those engines at the end of the day. If anyone else knows more about whether these search platforms are still able to monetize off of searx results, please chime in.
I haven’t heard of librex, but will take a look. Thanks for the lead!
