The two progressive lawmakers have addressed massive crowds in solidly red states including Idaho and Utah in recent days, as party of the national Fighting Oligarchy Tour.
A survey taken by Harvard’s Center for American Political Studies and Harris between April 9-10 found that 72% of Democratic voters supported politicians like Sanders (I-Vt.) and Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), “who are calling on Democrats to adopt a more aggressive stance towards Trump and his administration and ‘fight harder’,” rather than leaders who are willing to “compromise” with President Donald Trump.
Centrist approach?
USA has a conservative Party and a Neonazi Party
Sounds about White.
Two old rich white men arguing over the proper way to do genocide against brown people. Then they both get upset when brown people stop buying their shitty products.
Kamala didn’t lose by being “Too woke”, she lost by saying “Maybe the Right can have a little fascism, ya know, as a treat?”
This is why I want to see AOC as a candidate and NOT Harris. We need a candidate who is less, “reaching across the aisle” and more “boots on necks.”
America doesn’t have a good track record for young, popular, progressive presidents.
This is just wrong. Go look at what swayed voters. The fact is, she never broke from Biden.
- The border was a shit show.
- The stock market isn’t the economy. Egg prices matter (it’s ridiculous but true for voters, and yes, I know it was bird flu related)
- People trust R’s more when it comes to the economy
- Many voters see Democrats as intolerable over educated snobs… That’s how they address ‘the deplorables’.
- She ran on a platform that speaks TO DEMOCRATS and not the greater population.
Centrist is not evil, it’s necessary to win elections. How many maps do you need to see to figure out you need to win some red districts? Support the fringe but run on a platform that speaks to the middle. Or… keep doing what your doing and never hold more than a minor majority again.
People shouldn’t trust R’s any further than they can throw then.
Anyway while I don’t agree that the border was a shit show, yes I do agree that Neo Liberals are snobs who fail to understand that no the stock market is NOT the economy.
You have some points but ultimately I find you misguided. After all Trump was about as centered as the leaning tower of Piza.
Centrist is not evil, it’s necessary to win elections
Oh really? Who is president again? Who won the popular vote? Between Harris and Trump, which was more “centrist”?
Your logic is sound, but the model your working from is completely out of touch with how voters and elections work.
First of all, the left to right spectrum is just one dimension of voter preference. Another, and currently more dominant, dimension is populist to establishment. What Democrats call “centrist” is really “establishment”, and American voters hate the establishment.
Voters also like leaders with conviction. Centrist Democrats cave on everything. After four years of attacking Trump’s boarder policy, Democrats flipped almost entirely. After four years attacking Trump on LGBT rights, Democrats abandoned the issue entirely. Not only does that signal weakness to disengaged voters, it also destroys trust between the party and it’s base. The base might show up on election day, but they aren’t going to want to canvass or do all the other volunteer work that Democratic campaigns depend on.
My model is based on what won the last election.
- The border
- Prices at the grocery store. It’s ridiculous but it is what it is.
You make a good point. There are many factors at play, but if Democrats think centrist is establishment then we need to change that because your right, that won’t win anything
Your examples of caving… Attacking Trumps border policy - but… Biden was president?! And Democrats did nothing to fix the problem. Yes, border control is a problem. We needed a leader and got nothing.
LGBTQ rights. I’m sorry to have to say this, but that’s not going to win you an election. Democrats (and me personally) can continue to support LGBTQ rights, but you can’t make it one of your primary platform.
Look at it this way… You need a sales pitch for purple and red districts that speaks on their issues. And go there and sell it!
- Live and let live policies for the people
- Do a better job of advertising your successes fighting for workers rights and pay.
…and so on.
Hell, watch Fox news for a few hours a day, take a shower, then build your plan to beat the Republicans on their own turf.
The border
Both Biden and Obama before him deported far more undocumented aliens than Trump could manage. Biden completed more of Trump’s wall than Trump did. Family separations started under Obama and continued through Biden - with the caveat that people who go through the effort to understand it know that it was much worse under Trump because it was vindictive and intentional instead of being done on a limited bases to streamline cases.
The fact is that, no matter what the Democrats do or say, Republicans will always be seen as “tougher” on the border. They will always be willing to use more racist language and false narratives than Democrats. Trying to out-xenophobe Republicans is a losing fight for Democrats. What Democrats need is fewer xenophobes, and they don’t get that by running to the middle, or trying to ignore the issue. They get it by telling the truth boldly and consistently, and mocking ridiculous Republican talking points instead of playing into them.
Republicans don’t shape their policy to what polls tell them voters want, they shape what voters want through effective rhetoric, Democrats seem to think that voter opinions are immutable and that they need to find a well tuned platform to please more voters than they piss off until they get to 51% in each district. Republicans destroy them by constantly shifting the poles under Democrat’s feet.
Prices at the grocery store. It’s ridiculous but it is what it is.
This is part of the anti-incumbency global tidal wave narrative that Democrats have been using to explain away their loss. I don’t argue that it wasn’t a factor, but I think they owe us a better explanation. The guy they lost to was Trump. The race should never have been close enough for that to tip it over. The one glaring exception to that global phenomena was Mexico that had a very similar election with an aging left wing male president attempting to hand power to a much younger female protege, in opposition to a far right candidate. In their case the left candidate won, and they did it with a social-Democrat platform, not by running to the middle. This is in a country that is far more conservative than even the US, with a much more firmly established cultural patriarchy.
Yes, border control is a problem. We needed a leader and got nothing.
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. What we needed was immigration reform and a whole lot more judges to clear the backlog. The Democrats proposed a viable plan (far too right for me, but an understandable compromise to get Republicans on-board) and the Republicans rejected it to keep the issue alive for Trump. Then the Democrats assumed voters would see that and, what, stop being concerned about the border? All that did is send the message that electing Trump would get legislation passed because Biden couldn’t do it. The Democrats didn’t even try to convince anyone that the Republican plan was wrong-headed and would do far more harm than good. It was a disaster, and the kind of disaster that Democrats create for themselves on a regular basis.
LGBTQ rights. I’m sorry to have to say this, but that’s not going to win you an election.
The whole reason that the anti-woke movement gained so much traction is that Democrats have abandoned the issue or made compromises for years. I agree that standing for LGBTQ rights is not going to win elections, but giving up the high ground can certainly lose elections. Democratic (and corporate) tokenism also played a huge role in driving the anti-DEI narrative. Standing boldly and consistently for minority rights is politically a defensive strategy for Democrats. Democrats can’t win elections if they lose the culture wars. That just lets Republicans control the narrative.
You need a sales pitch for purple and red districts that speaks on their issues.
You spoke earlier on how Democrats are seen as “intolerable over educated snobs” and I agree, but I see this as a perfect example as to why. Democrats act like policy preferences are some kind of unalterable genetic feature of “some people” and those people must be pandered to. People in red districts are first and foremost people. Look at how Bernie talks to right wing audiences. He doesn’t cater even slightly to right wing ideology, but he does speak directly to their issues with an integrity that they are not used to seeing. And, it works. Bernie is consistently the most popular Democrat in red districts, not the centrists who pander.
People trust R’s more when it comes to the economy
I hate that you’re right about this. I just saw an article yesterday that human intelligence actually is declining, and this is some of the strongest evidence. We truly live in the dumbest timeline.
The GOP are already working out how to blame the incoming great depression on Biden
And just like in that survey which found that a huge number of Republicans blamed Obama for his response to Hurricane Katrina, the rubes will buy it.
American economy depends on immigrants for many reasons. Migrant workers are vital for food production. Immigrants keep America’s birth rate at a healthy level. This is very important for the long term health of the economy. Native born are far more likely to commit crime than immigrants. This is a fact and lots of data supports it. Economy was vibrant and healthy until Trump came back to office. This year was supposed to be a growing economy. Now a few months after Trump returned, the economy is headed for recession, inflation will rise due to tariffs, and the stock market which holds all of our retirement assets plummeted. The economy has done its best under Democrats. Republicans are viewed as predominantly white Christian racists and bigots that want to take America back to the 1800s. They continue efforts to suppress voting to take advantage of the very undemocratic electoral college and Senate.
I want to abandon the centrist approach, period. No more reaching across the aisle, no more insider trading, no more letting capitalists dictate how society should be. America has given capitalism a nearly free hand to determine the nation’s destiny, and it has lead to death camps, fascism, and stolen the prosperity that workers had earned with their sweat.
It is time to try a completely different approach to economics and an overhauled Constitution.
I don’t want to hate on it, but it’s like we don’t respect the Constitution as it is anyways. And the origins of this country was rich landowners. So technically we’re all just kind of like livestock. I guess simply what I’m saying is we have to actually become a real country. And that will require kinetic input.
It should have been a living document. This is how you know these idiots are a death cult.
Earned with their blood*
72% of Democrats Want Party to Abandon Centrist Approach to Trump
Party: But who will help us become exponentially richer then?
Mother fuckers just play the fucking market if you’re so morally backrupt. Even when you’re selling us out you fucking take the most low ball barely consequential amount to flush millions of peoples lives down the drain.
Won’t happen. There’s long been a gap between what registered party members want and what those in charge actually do.
We saw the same thing in the UK a few years ago when Jeremy Corbyn got a huge swell of support from the party proper, but all the other Labour MPs collectively rounded on him and conspired to kick him out of the party altogether because he was going to put a stop to their gravy train.
tone-deaf about the tone-deaf
They kicked him out after he led Labour to it’s biggest loss in ninety years.
Billionaires don’t deserve a seat at the table.
We wouldn’t let any other group of 3000 people contort our entire society to their will.
Right: Genocide ALL undesirables without due process.
Left: Genocide nobody without due process.
Centrist: Clearly there is middle ground. So, lets genocide some people without due process.
Can’t i just have a little genocide? As a treat.
Well since you asked so nicely and as a centrist I’m so conflict averse I prioritize harmony over any sort of moral compass then yes, have as much as you want. Just stay polite or I’ll gently chastise you and then give in to you anyway.
Doesn’t matter what the people want, the democrat’s corporate masters make the decisions.
AOC and Sanders ARE the centrists. That’s the key to understanding the issue here.
Sanders?.. Maybe. AOC… No freaking way.
You want a centrist that Dems should listen to? See Adam Frisch in my state. Almost beat Boebert TWICE in her home county.
They are in the exact center of the policial spectrum. I realize that is difficult to understand for some folks, but I will explain it as best as I can. AOC is approximately exactly the midpoint between me and Trump. That is what the political spectrum means.
They are obviously among the most leftist elected politicians in the US, but that’s not saying much. We need to get our brains out of this mainstream media cesspool of “centrist” or “moderate” meaning “not a right wing extremist”.
Unfortunately in the situation, almost only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes… Lauren boebert is just… Well it shouldn’t be hard to beat someone that gave a God damn hand job at a theater show in polite company regardless of their political affiliation. Dude’s got to figure out a better way to get his message across to people.
Yeah. I know she’s terrible. It’s not the hand job that I’m against, she’s terrible as a congress critter. My point is, his message did land in a solid red district. She moved to the eastern side of the state to keep her seat.
Honestly, the hand job controversy seemed a little slut shamey to me.
Like, sure, it was wrong to do that in a public place but considering the scandals of most republicans that was almost quaint.
Democrats won’t abandon their centrist positions as long as the Clintons live. If voters want a party to represent them, they need to get rid of the current ones.
Still getting bribery from AIPAC?
Wow ya think
Then they will freaking lose and deserve it. They surveyed Democratic voters. You want reality? You lost to the worst candidate in the history of voting in this country. WAKE THE HELL UP!
If 72% of Democrats want to drop centrist approach then go vote for a progressive in the primaries you bunch of non-voting assholes.
The last time they even had primaries was 2016 and we all saw what happened then. Voters have had no choice for a long ass time.
WTF are you talking about? We had primaries just last year.
https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/2024-state-primary-election-dates
That’s the problem with progressives and democrats, they never seem to remember that there are other primaries other than presidential that actually do matter.
Kamala was literally NOT chosen in a primary, she got chosen because of being vice president. Additionally, we all saw what they did in 2016 so you are arguing in extremely bad faith.
Woosh…
What they’re saying is that the president isn’t the only election and progressives and those further left rarely running for other offices is the problem. You don’t just wake up one morning and decide to primary the top party choice with little to no experience and win. You build up, Bernie didn’t just run for the nomination, he had a long record of successfully winning races in VT and was a known figure.
There are primaries and elections for school board, mayors elections, governor, state offices, state house and senate, congress, etc. This is where you build a movement, not president. The fact the the US Greens only trot out a presidential candidate every 4 years is how you know they’re a spoiler and not a serious party. If they were we’d have greens running for all those other elections all the time, but they don’t. We need a river of actual leftist politicians and we have like a handful of drops in a bucket.
Absolutely and at least progressive groups are not full of these Internet progressives and tankies and are actually doing the work and not just down voting on Internet forums.
Honestly, in this past primary, I saw a lot more progressive candidates at the house/Senate and state, which is extremely nice to see in my decades of voting and only donating to progressive groups.
Change is coming, it’s been slow but it’s coming.
The DNC fucked Bernie in 16 for Hillary… forgive me if I don’t the have Faith in their abilitie to read the god-damned room… being said by a guy who did vote for Harris and would have voted for literally anyone but this situation…the DNC needs to listen to the people, not use superdelegates to ensure the proper “sanctioned” candidates are on the ballot.
We WANT change…but also fuck the non voting idiots…unless it really was election tampering by Elon and Putin(again)
Agree with you there. It really is kind of shocking to see the Democratic primary being the least democratic when compared with the Republican primary that’s full of fascists.
72% of democrats is like 72 people. The party is the least popular it has ever been, by the numbers.
By the numbers
You clearly don’t know what any of the numbers mean
