Or to Anonymous for that matter?
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Antifa is a position, not a group. Individual anti-fascist groups often get reported as “antifa” as a way to give the impression of an organization, but there isn’t really one.
Nobody is a “member of antifa”, usually we are part of groups like American Iron Front which are antifascist. I was recruited to join through Reddit after I made a fake white supremacist Facebook account where I befriend actual Nazis, go through their accounts, report all their Nazi posts and get them banned, again and again. I also posted all their pictures to r/beholdthemasterrace so they were all dragged out from the rocks they live under, which Reddit eventually banned me for, when a couple of the Nazis figured out that they were on the subreddit with their stupid swastikas and Heils. I modded r/antifascist after I was recruited before my ban, and did some serious catfishing of Nazis on the side with the group, including convincing Enrique Tarrio that we were a 20 something year old Republican college age girl and having him send a dick pic,which I have still and it is a sad fash wiener. We also outed a Marine as a Nazi to his commanding officer and he was dishonorably discharged, and I personally outed via a journalist for Antihate a guy in northern BC who was a Christian Identity white supremacist who was arrested and later convicted of murdering his young girlfriend who he had a young son with despite their being a publication ban. As well as some other stuff, I’ve worked with journalists and even an FBI joint task force detective who I gave a couple of Capitol rioters too, but I don’t think they were even prosecuted. Most of my time I devote to befriending Nazis and trying to inform their jobs that they are Nazis, which I have succeeded at.
I forgot my meds yesterday and am kind of hypomanic today which is why I’m even talking about this, but yeah we do actually do a lot. I’ll show you Enrique’s peener if you want.
Are you against fascism? Are you willing to speak out and/or act out against it? Congratulations, comrade, you are antifa.
So what happened to him?
He went antifa
Antifa is a movement, not some centralised formally defined organisation. It’s just short for anti-fascist. Plenty of antifascist groups still exist. Any group that labels itself as anti-fascist is antifa.
Exactly, and you saw a lot more antifa folks showing up during the BLM protests because they were countering the Proud Boys and other chuds. Since a lot of top ranking Proud Boys went away for J6, and BLM protests have stopped we haven’t seen antifa in the streets is all.
The need for anti fascism didn’t stop with the arrests of January 6th
In the US maybe, but there’s been plenty of antifa activity in eg Europe due to the sharp rise of the far-right. Antifa show up whenever there’s fascist demos to counter them.
Antifa is not an organization. It is a belief that fascism is wrong for the development of a fair and just society, and it is a belief that expressing an oppositional voice to fascists is important.
This. Antifa was never a thing except in the minds of the fascists trying to rebrand antifascism as something bad. Like the migrant caravans of 2018, once it was no longer convenient they moved on to the next boogie man.
The best time to be antifascist was 90 years ago; the second best time is now.
Interesting, you picked two brands which aren’t really single groups.
‘Antifa’ is a social movement which developed from a red united front organization in 1930s Germany[1] and turned into a general brand we see today. Any group of antifascists can identify as antifa using symbols and tactics. You can find a friend and go be antifa.
Similarly, ‘Anonymous’ grew out of social justice activism on 4chan and, as the name suggests, is a fluid kind of identity. Anyone can use the name, the original chatroom/group is less and less relevant as time goes on.
Both collectives are still present and doing things, but antifa groups are far more relevant. They’re just not in the news as often as they were during BLM. Anarchist blogs and media outlets (e.g. Unicorn Riot and It’s Going Down) often have updates on recent antifascist actions, including disrupting neo-Nazi protests and infiltrating+sabotaging their organizations.
Anonymous still exists. Put out a statement yesterday. Antifa doesnt exist in any real sense. Like woke, dei, critical race theory, trans bathroom rapists, its part of the firehose of conspiracy falsehoods to keep the children in our society in a fear state shutting down their prefrontal cortex so they are incapable of rational thought as you implement fascism.
Anonymous still exists. Put out a statement yesterday. Antifa doesnt exist in any real sense.
What? Literally any jackass can put out a statement and say they are “Anonymous” and it literally means nothing because Anonymous exists even less in a real sense than Antifa does, my dude.
Anonymous hasn’t done anything significant in a decade.
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You got things backwards.
The hackers known as anonymous all went their separate ways long ago, leaving 4chans anonymous to be little more than a series of social media accounts releasing videos periodically. You say “they released a statement yesterday”… Er… That’s all they do. They haven’t had any power and members with skill sets since 2008 or so.
…and antifa do exist. Most anarchist are, or are willing to call themselves antifa. A huge number of people used black block (blocking out), and mutual aid to manage, organize, and run the Black Lives Matters riots, and the Portland Corrections protests.
Behind the Bastards had a whole series detailing it, including all the local chapters and groups that cropped up or started in that period.
So pretty much the opposite of what you said: Anonymous doesn’t really exist beyond constantly releasing statements, and antifa does exist and will most likely take up organizational roles if any long term street protests erupt.
There’s no organization called “Antifa,” though. It’s just a concept. There’s organizations calling themselves “Black Lives Matter” but most of them are (or were) just trying to (a) organize or (b) get donations and do nothing. Both are just ideas meant to unite disparate groups.
It’s like saying there was an official organization called La Résistance in France during WWII. It’s distributed, small, independent groups with similar ideologies that got a name in retrospect. There’s no central organization.
No, the joke you’re making is about Anonymous, and the authorities trying to find the leader of them.
Antifa (Antifaschistische Aktion, Anti Fascism) on the other has and will periodically form into local chapters (usually out of members of other more permanent anarchist, communist, and protest groups), to participate in protests, produce things like stickers or book drives, run pop-up or community libraries, events and form other organizational structures, events, or projects.
You’re confusing temporary, and anarchistic, with not existing.
From Wikipedia:
The contemporary antifa movement has its roots in the West German Außerparlamentarische Opposition left-wing student movement and largely adopted the aesthetics of the first movement while being ideologically somewhat dissimilar. The first antifa groups in this tradition were founded by the Maoist Communist League in the early 1970s. From the late 1980s, West Germany’s squatter scene and left-wing autonomism movement were the main contributors to the new antifa movement and in contrast to the earlier movement had a more anarcho-communist leaning. The contemporary movement has splintered into different groups and factions, including one anti-imperialist and anti-Zionist faction and one anti-German faction who strongly oppose each other, mainly over their views on Israel.
So yeah, antifa is a movement which does periodically have people participate in it. They’re just usually temporary and anarchistic.
Likewise with the French Resistance, or Marquis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maquis_(World_War_II) - yes there were various groups, and they had different structures, some of which were independent detached cells, but at various points some were aided with more official supply, intel, organization, and assistance from allied forces, and required more communication and so some become more “official” due to this. So it was mixed, some completely independent, others less so.
This is part of what makes these organizations effective, and difficult to stop. It’s not the same as them not existing… Not having set and formal national leadership, being temporary, or anarchistic, is not the same as not existing, or having no members.
Spoken like someone who’s never gotten an A in a “critical thinking” assignment
Still there doing stuff, many activists realize after a few years that the impact of protests or even riots often isnt lasting and tend to either stop doing public activisim because they fear backlash, some make it their job and in NGOs where they stagnate because of bueraucracy and some will understand that only change changes things and start to sabotage the things that need said change.
Speaking of which, here is a helpful manual.
That last bit <3
or occupy wall street or black lives matter. in some cases they are basically gone but none had a structure such that someone speaks for it.
Not to be a “just Google it” type person, but I personally would read the Wikipedia articles on each. Wikipedia still has to be taken with skepticism, especially on decentralized movements that some would like to see be declared domestic terrorists, but I would believe Wikipedia more than randos on the internet.
For example, I am the King of Anonymous. I see everything. I hear everything. We are merely waiting in the shadows for our next opportunity. Oooooor, I’m just a nobody lying online for giggles.
I think the real answer is they were decentralized and people picked up or dropped the Anonymous or Antifa label as it was useful to them. There have been so many conspiracy theories and misinformation campaigns on both, mentioning them is guaranteed to get 95% of people bored and trying to to change topics. So for people trying to get attention, identifying as Antifa or Anonymous probably doesn’t help them these days.
So for people trying to get attention, identifying as Antifa […] probably doesn’t help them these days.
People doing actions for clout are likely to be shunned as opportunistic. A well-known antifascist guide to doxxing Nazis straight up says [paraphrasing] “seeking clout will make people skeptical of your actions, just don’t do it”.
Lemmy ML got slow and gummy right after I posted this, should I delete, or am I just being paranoid? And at least three downvotes; should I not have asked?
Hahaha you are getting paranoid,
And about antifa, I think antifa more like the friends we made along the way.
Antifa will live as long as people are fighting against fascism. It is more of an idea then an organization, but it becomes more organized when fascism raises.
One of the main reasons I like Lemmy is that I can ask these kind of questions without fear. And you can too(although you ISP is another matter entirely).
They rebranded, but I’m not at liberty to release any further details
They’re still there.
But irrelevant.
