Years after, what else is there to say? The citizens were duped and they voted for this.
And those of us that weren’t duped (and did actually vote) are stuck along for the ride, all the while knowing how preventable this whole mess was.
For starters, some of the people voting to leave didn’t even know what the EU was, some voted simply because they wanted to spite David Cameron, and some thought it’d get rid of the “foreigners”. All absolutely dumbfuck reasons to fuck over the country by voting leave.
Furthermore, a bunch of the remainers didn’t even vote because they assumed we’d win, which is also a massively dumbfuck reason not to vote, as by doing so they effectively voted to leave instead.
To be slightly fair to them though, I’d too have a hard time imagining that there’d be so many people willing to vote so completely against their own interests based off almost solely off the words of two slimy rich bastards and a bus.
Should watch us here in the US. We always vote against our interests and it always turns to shite.
Not voting or voting without knowing what’s being voted for are yet another thing we’re #1 at.
It was an incredibly stupid idea pushed by foreign propaganda and complete morons. So, it seems this is one example of what happens when people do something incredibly stupid.
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Even if “we were lied to”, it’s a vulgar lie to vote for, true or not. No?
Stupid people get bad results. I don’t feel sorry, especially because their departure was fueled by their dislike for us.
Do you feel sorry for the 48% of people who weren’t “stupid” and voted to remain, yet still have to deal with this bollocks?
35% to be honest. If you don’t vote on a matter like that you deserve what you get.
I mean that’s hardly fair, given that in the past, constitutional changes weren’t done on the basis of an advisory referendum with a tiny majority, and we weren’t told prior that the outcome would result in Brexit.
If you’re blaming the voters, you’re letting the Conservative party get away with it. It is decidedly their fault.we weren’t told prior that the outcome would result in Brexit.
Let’s assume for a moment that what you say is accurate. It’s just advisory. Not caring if the voters just give the government the “advice” to shoot the country in the foot also seems pretty dumb to me.
Also, between the referendum and actual Brexit there were TWO general elections. In 2019 the conservatives were reelected, with a stunning participation of 67%. You guys HAD to have woken up by then.
If you’re blaming the voters, you’re letting the Conservative party get away with it.
No, I’m not. But if you live in a democracy, you share the responsibility for decisions that are made in your name. And the only way they are not made in your name is if you vote against them. You don’t get out of that by claiming “they lied” when those lies at the time were constantly debunked in basically all of the media if you just bothered to look.
Let’s assume for a moment that what you say is accurate
Let’s not. Instead of assuming, we can agree that the referendum being advisory is a matter of fact. I can provide thousands of sources for this if you are unsure.
between the referendum and actual Brexit there were TWO general elections.
Two points here. Firstly, an election is not a single issue referendum and the Conservatives winning an election is therefore not equivalent to the voters agreeing on Brexit.
Secondly, in both of these elections the majority of voters voted for anti-Brexit parties. So, if we were to take the elections as referenda, (which, again, we can’t) the results would show that the UK voted subsequently against Brexit. Twice.As for your last paragraph, the fact that “they lied” (not sure why this is in quote marks: they did) does matter. It’s not reasonable to expect that the whole populace will have the time, inclination, ability or education to be able to understand the full picture and determine which parts of what they’re being told are true and which are lies. This is partly why we elect and pay representatives. A lot of lies were told, some in completely novel ways and some in more traditional ways, but enough to at least confuse the average Joe. Why would you lay the blame at the door of people who made a decision based on the best information that was available to them when that information was bogus?
those lies at the time were constantly debunked in basically all of the media if you just bothered to look.
Outright incorrect here. The majority of the media was pro - brexit in the UK. Owned as it is by disaster capitalists and paid-up Tory supporters. At the very least, the message from the media as a whole was incoherent. I believe it’s fair to say that large parts of the mass media embarked on a targeted misinformation campaign for the very purpose of muddying the waters and convincing people to vote against their own interests.
I’m not sure why you overlook all of this. Perhaps you just didn’t know. Perhaps you’re a Tory supporter. Perhaps you just like nice, neat black-and-white answers. But by doing so, you’re blaming a lot of innocent people and letting a lot of guilty ones off without scrutiny. You’re literally making it worse.
Let’s not.
“Let’s assume” in this case means “I’ll take your word for it because it’s really not important to my point.”
Firstly, an election is not a single issue referendum and the Conservatives winning an election is therefore not equivalent to the voters agreeing on Brexit.
I would agree in 9 out of 10 cases, this is the tenth. By that time there was already major controversy about possibly canceling Brexit or having a second referendum, the many difficult issues of the separation and the negotiations were obvious and Johnson was specifically pushing for an early election to gain more leverage for his hard-line position. The matter at hand was one that would change Britain’s position in the world for a long time, reversing it could not be easily done and it was basically live or death for parts of your economy. This was apparent, as some companies were already in the process of leaving for other EU countries.
All this considered, nobody who wanted the UK to remain could reasonably justify staying home. Remember, I’m not even talking about conservative voters, the issue is 30% not even showing up.
Secondly, in both of these elections the majority of voters voted for anti-Brexit parties.
Yes. “Winner takes all” is fucked up. But that’s not my point. 30% stayed home. That’s what my first comment was about that you are answering.
so how can I “share the responsibility for decisions that are made in [my] name”, when I did everything in my power to stop it?
See the second to last sentence from my last comment.
not sure why this is in quote marks: they did
Because it’s quoting somebody else. Not every quotation mark is insinuating the content isn’t true. Politicians lie or only tell certain parts of the truth without context all the time to promote their agenda. It sucks, but none of them have ever been jailed or otherwise punished for it, so as long as that is the case you have to expect it. And it’s your job as a citizen to do at least some reading on important issues.
You didn’t even have to get the whole picture. You just had to look outside, see the town square that was renovated and freshly paved with EU subsidies (example that my brother in law showed me when we visited - he continued with “they paid for it, now they can gtfo”), or the polish nurse taking care of your grandma 24h, and think for a second. That should have made people doubt.
Also, international news. The internet is a thing, and your mother language happens to be the modern lingua franca.
But by doing so, you’re blaming a lot of innocent people and letting a lot of guilty ones off without scrutiny. You’re literally making it worse.
If you read carefully, you’ll notice that not once did I write anything to the effect of what the Tories and UKIP did wasn’t bad. All I am saying is that everybody who didn’t go out and vote remain had it coming. That includes everybody who didn’t vote, and nobody can claim they didn’t have access to at least hints about the magnitude of the consequences. The EU publicly told you in advance in pretty simple terms, multiple times. And common sense dictates that no club will ever let you keep the benefits without also sharing the costs (the whole “cherry picking” thing).
You seem unable to differentiate between “Alice did a bad thing” and “Bob is innocent of a different thing” (not the same, not correlated, I said one, not the other). That’s sad, but please don’t blame me for your false conclusions.
Can I just add that a lot of UK craft beer firms went bust because they were started by a bunch of trust-fund babies with sleeve tattoos and no experience and their beer was disgusting over-hopped SHITE
That would explain about 70% of this statistic
Do you have sources that directly contradict the article? Or are you just angry at new things
How’s that sleeve tattoo old chap?
Don’t have any, thanks tho.
How’s the knee pain gramps?
Spot on.
I forgot about the beards tho
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Kimi Karjalainen and his brother Marko poured their life savings into Bone Machine Brewing Co when it opened in Pocklington, East Yorkshire, in 2017 before moving to Hull, as part of the craft beer revolution that swept Britain.
Post-Brexit trading arrangements with European Union countries meant that Bone Machine’s craft beers needed to be accompanied by expensive and time-consuming paperwork.
Bone Machine is one of more than 100 small brewers that have been forced out of business in the past 18 months, hit by a combination of Brexit, the pandemic and the cost of living crisis and now threatened by changes to beer duty laws.
So while people were getting worse off, the multinational brewers were going to pubs, to free houses, and saying ‘we’ll give you cheap kegs, but we want control of all your lines’.”
Other issues affecting the industry have been the shortage of carbon dioxide following the early stages of the energy crisis, and Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine which raised the cost of barley and hops.
Larger companies have been doing well, including Brewdog, the Camden Town Brewery and Beavertown, which the Grocer reported had seen supermarket sales rise by more than a quarter.
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Other issues affecting the industry have been the shortage of carbon dioxide following the early stages of the energy crisis
My kneejerk reaction is that that’s probably self-solving. Like, you only need so much food-grade carbon dioxide, so you only have so many facilities capturing it from power plants or whatever rather than just dumping it into the atmosphere. Makes no sense to increase capture if there’s no demand. But if supply falls off, then it makes sense to capture from more sources of carbon dioxide.
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Huh. Apparently the brewing industry is actually a source of food-grade carbon dioxide, not a consumer.
https://www.linde-gas.com/en/products_and_supply/food_grade_gases/index.html
We supply food grade carbon dioxide (CO2) , nitrogen (N2), and oxygen (O2) along with other gases authorised for foodstuffs as individual gases in cylinders under high pressure as well as liquids in insulated tanks for subsequent mixing at the packaging machine and premixed.
Carbon dioxide is taken from natural wells or captured as a by-product of fermentation processes (wine, beer) or ammonia production.
Well brewed beer shouldn’t need additional carbonation, it’s not a soft drink. They need it as they’re making shit beer at a massive mark up as “craft”.
It’s needed for purging tanks to avoid oxidation, pressurisation, moving it through lines etc, not necessarily carbonation.
but kimi kimi kimi, you set up a business in the UK… “heavily geared for export [to EU countries]” …. in 2017…?
There was no change in trade regulations until 2021. The UK government insisted all along that they would get “the best of both worlds” and “no friction”. While there was a reduction in demand from the EU side, acknowledged by most pre-established businesses, if you started in 2017 you wouldn’t have seen it.
Kimi was a mug for believing lies from the UK government, or hoping/betting that things wouldn’t get as bad as they did. A softer, saner agreement achieving EEA-like status would have been fine for him, after all. But nope, we got our hard brexit…
I grew up several miles from Pocklington (the home of the business named in the article) and having any industry up there other than pig-farming would have been a welcome change. The British government forced this country into an idiotic referendum on a matter where very few people understood the consequences of the “Leave” decision, and then doubled down on their failed gamble by fucking up the post-Brexit negotiations.
Blaming entrepreneurs, who were simply trying to create a business & employ people, something that this government purports to support, for lacking the foresight to realise how incompetent and self-serving this government is, seems delusional.
