No advocacy group against First Past The Post voting? Isn’t the biggest concern with Jill stein running is that she is “going to steal votes from the democrats”? Attack the problem at its source, the FPTP voting system.
When we get to use a more representative voting system, people would be free to vote for Jill stein; secure in the knowledge that their vote would still be cast against the republicans if she didn’t win.
Don’t the democrats want to beat the Republicans in any way they can? Why is the DNC saying no to these extra votes? Don’t democrats believe in democracy? Who could possibly say no to more democracy?
Almost entirely signal boosted as proof of a carrot that both will most likely never arrive, and most likely won’t change anything even if it did arrive. There’s a large difference between individuals pushing for something and them actually managing to get them passed at a scale that matters.
the overton window aka “the window of discourse” is literally about talking, and making things more acceptable by their existence in the public consciousness
the more people TALK about alternative voting mechanisms, the more likely it is for some change to occur… 1 person can’t just up and change the system overnight, but by “signalling” as you’ve dismissively called it, it makes it more likely that other people talk about it and that makes it more likely that it becomes policy
How does “signaling” translate to policy? The majority of Americans want abortion codified, legal weed, single payer healthcare, increased gun protection, and more. Why do you think these haven’t passed?
these are separate issues; i never said signalling is the end game, but it has to start there and build
if you want IRV etc to be in the same category as abortion rights and cannabis (as in majority of people think “why the fuck isn’t this done yet?” rather than “huh? what?”) then it starts with simply convincing politicians to acknowledge their support for it - heck even acknowledging it as an issue
there is literally no way to get to policy through a grassroots without it first having a few people “signalling”
No advocacy group against First Past The Post voting? Isn’t the biggest concern with Jill stein running is that she is “going to steal votes from the democrats”? Attack the problem at its source, the FPTP voting system.
When we get to use a more representative voting system, people would be free to vote for Jill stein; secure in the knowledge that their vote would still be cast against the republicans if she didn’t win.
Don’t the democrats want to beat the Republicans in any way they can? Why is the DNC saying no to these extra votes? Don’t democrats believe in democracy? Who could possibly say no to more democracy?
Democrats have no interest in democracy or anything that weakens their corporate power, like rcv/star/democratic voting methods.
I don’t think that’s true of all Democrats. Have there not been progressives pushing for alternative voting methods?
Almost entirely signal boosted as proof of a carrot that both will most likely never arrive, and most likely won’t change anything even if it did arrive. There’s a large difference between individuals pushing for something and them actually managing to get them passed at a scale that matters.
okay but it’s been passed in plenty of your states and that hasn’t been without democrat party support
you don’t just change the system overnight - change like that can take a lifetime, and it starts with signalling to move the overton window
Very few states, actually, and it passed in Alaska in a Republican state. Overall, it has weak momentum.
How do you signal to “move the overton window?” Prayer?
If only there was some kind of smaller election before the general election where we get to vote on who represents the Democratic party…
If only we could vote on leftist candidates in the primary for the DNC, as though it isn’t a grand filter before anyone even gets to run…
Is there a sitting member of the Democratic party that you would consider a “leftist” or one that holds leftist values?
the overton window aka “the window of discourse” is literally about talking, and making things more acceptable by their existence in the public consciousness
the more people TALK about alternative voting mechanisms, the more likely it is for some change to occur… 1 person can’t just up and change the system overnight, but by “signalling” as you’ve dismissively called it, it makes it more likely that other people talk about it and that makes it more likely that it becomes policy
How does “signaling” translate to policy? The majority of Americans want abortion codified, legal weed, single payer healthcare, increased gun protection, and more. Why do you think these haven’t passed?
these are separate issues; i never said signalling is the end game, but it has to start there and build
if you want IRV etc to be in the same category as abortion rights and cannabis (as in majority of people think “why the fuck isn’t this done yet?” rather than “huh? what?”) then it starts with simply convincing politicians to acknowledge their support for it - heck even acknowledging it as an issue
there is literally no way to get to policy through a grassroots without it first having a few people “signalling”