I was at a small roleplaying convention last week. It was great to meet the others again after about a year and game with them. Unfortunately someone was rather generous with their flu viruses and I got my personal helping. So I’m on sick leave for the second say but luckily, according to the test it’s just a flu and not the big bad C. On Monday I clobbered together a small template for my sister to build fake computer screens as props for TV shows… All in all a mixed bag of some good stuff and some annoying things…

Since this was a question about a lemmy feature, I’m talking lemmy here, arguing about fediverse, TCP/IP or electricity numbers/servers/plants doesn’t seem usefull in this context. Providing a link to a server that to your knowledge (you provided the reason) hosts illegal content can be seen as participating in this crime or at least advertizing. (Disclaimer: I’m no lawyer, I just remember whole BBS being seized for providing lists of (international) phone numbers to BBS that hosted warez and there’s stuff that’s worse than warez).

There are a few different things I’d like to mention:

• I don’t think, that there is such a thing as a massively defederated instance exists right now. The most blocked instance is blocked by about 11% of the instances, followed by two instances at 6%
• Even if the die hard scene users would know their instances, not every random troll or spammer would.
• This doesn’t address the possible legal issues of publicly announcing where someone could find illegal content
• If “small queer instance” refers to beehaw… That’s the second largest instance there is as of today according to https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances

And lastly: If you’re new to the fediverse you maybe shouldn’t run your own instance in first place. Helping reckless people pull reckless stunts is a bad reason to promote a feature.

Currently it isn’t and I don’t think, that this would be the best idea ever since it could be misused as some kind of index to find bad instances. The defederated-list is available to the public and thus the defederating instance could in fact be “advertizing” the instances they defederated from (“Look, we don’t want this stuff here, but these instances are for [right-wing|transphobes|bots|spammers|porn]”)…

Depending on where the instance is hosted or where the admin lives, it might even be illegal to in fact point people to places where they can find certain things.

I used “meadia coverage” in a very broad sense here (as in online articles by magazines, blogposts and such)…

• https://www.androidauthority.com/reddit-alternatives-lemmy-3335429/ mentiones lemmy.world way before any other
• https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances while not media gets linked rather often an has lemmy.world, beehaw and feddit on top of the “all instances” list
• https://tech.michaelaltfield.net/2023/06/11/lemmy-migration-find-subreddits-communities/ for example links to awesome lemmy instances
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmy_(software) again not media but in the same ballpark, lists lemmy.ml and lemmy.world

I honestly didn’t keep track I just noticed this during the last few days that if there were instanced that were mentioned or linked it was usually these three, but it might also be confimation bias.

The main difference between these two instances as I see it is that lemmy.world gets a whole lot more media coverage, attention and direct links than sh.itjust.works. You have to do research or visit join-lemmy.org to find a link to sh.itjust.works and then their tagline starting with “A bilingual (EN/FR) general-purpose instance located in eastern Canada! Powered by 99% renewal energy!” might just keep some uniformed (as in how this federation-thingy works) non-canadians from joining (yes, I left out the second part of the tagline, assuming most people who’d be put off by the beginning wouldn’t read any further).

I think it’s a lot less nefarious. About every post or article about Lemmy that links to Lemmy instances has links to (in this order in almost every article I remember) lemmy.world, lemmy.ml and beehaw.org. Of these 3 only lemmy.world accepts new users without vetting. Lemmy.ml doesn’t accept new users at all and beehaw doesn’t really look that welcoming to someone who knows they might stir some shit up in the future and also getting into beehaw requires more effort. So with lemmy.world usually being the first on the list and additionally requires the least effort to join, this is where all the world and their uncle end up on. They just get the biggest unfiltered influx and with that the biggest amount of toxic people. (I want to make sure that I’m not calling lemmy.world users lazy or toxic or anything like or that this is their target audience. It’s just a fact fact that someone who can’t be bothered to do research and/or “write an essay” as someone called it, will most likely end up on lemmy.world)

German it magazine iX has an interview with the mods of r/de. I don’t know if this was mentioned here before…

Interview (German)

Short summary: the mods of the large German communities see a huge issue with reddit not recognizing content creators and mods work and there seems to be growing support for an ongoing blackout or so they say.

It’s a technical limitation. In very easy (and therefore not entirely correct) terms, beehaw stopped talking to these instances. Beehaw will not load content from there, so you wouldn’t get any new posts or comments on communities that are hosted there, and these communities wouldn’t get anything you’d write because it’s always the hosting instance that keeps the master-copy of all content in it’s communities and only the master-copy is used to copy this content to other instances.

Just check https://beehaw.org/instances Every instance has this list.

Just to put an additional perspective on this. Beehaw has been and/or had to defederate instances before to become and stay the safe space everyone here’s enjoying. The only major difference here is that this time it hit two major instances and not because of actions or goals of the majority of their population or admins but because the sheer size of the instances made the small percentage of their users, who act in what is considered a bad way, made it to much to handle.

According to this list of Awesome Lemmy Instances, there are 5 instances who’s count of blocked instances is way above every other instance (like 5 times more). Beehaw is one of those, in fact Beehaw is on top of that list. While this of course isn’t desirable, it made the communities we have here possible in first place and helped shape them into what they’re now. Just check the blocked instances list.

I think, just closing the valve on certain pipes is a legitimate course of action in a situation where there is more pressure than the receiver can handle, especially in short term while other measures are put into place (like getting better tools to handle the pressure or expecting the general pressure to go down). If the only two options for this valve are “fully open” and “fully closed” it seems to me like the only course of action to prevent overpressure from flooding the whole place.

On your PC you can just have 2 browsertabs with two different accounts on different instances open. Since these have different URLs, your browser doesn’t understand that it’s two of the same (like in two lemmy tabs) and wont interfere with cookies, sessions and such.

I don’t think anyone is calling you toxic (I honestly haven’t read all the comments). The decision was made due to the fact that the two instances in questions have and allow a huge influx of unvetted accounts and with that all those users also can walk in here. With this crowd comes a small percentage of toxic people that sre still to many be filtered out on this side using the current moderation tools.

Hi, I’m Nicktar, end-40s software architect and creator of unfinished projects. I love to find out how stuff works and if I can make it better or different or repair it but once I figured out how to do that and and know that I could do this, I lose interest and it becomes work… So my place is filled with (partially) working prototypes like cat toys, hydroponic flowerpots, broken tablets halfway turned into interactive picture frames, disassembled cordless screwdrives that need a new battery…

Also climate activist, table top roleplayer and currently quite busy playing around with Stable Diffusion

Thanks for the clear and open communication here. It’s inconvenient but totally understandable and the main point with federation: If you want to, you can have a second account “outside” and whenever you want to read some post from these instances, you can make the decision to “go out” and do so before retreating to your safe home. No need to have your home possibly violated by an unvetted crowd if you can have an interaction wirh parts of that crowd outside.

An open minded crowd that creates an “us” without the band even beeing on stage yet and a band that knows how to and is willing to tap into that feeling and just kind of joins the crowd. As opposed to a crowd that separates into small groups where everyone eyes the others to find out who’s the best or most hardcore fans or a band that’s tired because it’s the end of a long tour and would rather chill at home than play that gig.

Since it doesn’t seemed to be mentioned by anyone (or I missed it), I’m going to say Robo-Rally… Programming your robot through a racetrack on a moving factory floor using drawn command cards, bumping into others, knocking the off course and ending in a totally wrong spot yourself because you miscalculated a step…