Firefox 120 Stable includes a large number of privacy improvements designed to better protect the privacy of users of the browser.
  • SuperDuper@lemmy.worldEnglish
    161·
    10 months ago

    Firefox release notes: we improved the privacy of our browser

    Chrome release notes: fuck you and fuck your fucking adblock

      • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
        331·
        10 months ago

        Clarity is needed here. The California language that sparked all this is qualified with “about FakeSpot’s products and services”. Meaning it could simply be third-party services that they send their own emails through.

        After reading their privacy policy, nothing jumps out at me that contradicts this.

        To be clear, I’m not a fan of the extension’s collection practices, but the down votes could be because this may be unwarranted fear.

          • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
            1·
            10 months ago

            Because they are now owned by Mozilla. As stated above, I, like others, don’t like the practice, and I hope Mozilla adjusts acordingly.

              • steakmeout@aussie.zoneEnglish
                11·
                10 months ago

                You understand why they changed those terms, right? Because Mozilla isn’t reselling the data and the data can’t go elsewhere.

              • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
                51·
                10 months ago

                Sure, but this doesn’t mean much. If they didn’t transfer ownership, FakeSpot could do whatever they wanted with that data. By forcing the transfer, Mozilla can choose to keep it private.

    • nicetriangle@kbin.social
      15·
      10 months ago

      Hopefully between Firefox’s recent streak of good releases and Google majorly jumping the shark lately we’ll see Chrome marketshare take a dive.

        • Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          14·
          10 months ago

          Cloudflare says 4.7%. I trust them more with these statistics because

          • they serve a significant chunk of the internet
          • they collect data serverside and I’m pretty sure more people block tracking scripts than change their user agent

          But yes, it’s way too small

        • nicetriangle@kbin.social
          7·
          10 months ago

          Just crazy to me that Firefox is that low I really hope they can rebound. Chrome’s strangehold on browser engines is bad for everyone.

    • n00b001@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      10 months ago

      Yeah!

      Now hopefully they can enable HDR video playback within the next few years (bug open for 5 years at this point)

    • haruki@programming.devEnglish
      101·
      10 months ago

      Default Brave blocks ads more aggressively than default Firefox. Of course you can achieve that with Firefox + uBlock Origin, but add-ons are not available on iOS and iPad OS.

      That’s just my experience. I still use Firefox + Firefox Focus BTW. To block more aggressively, I also use VPN + Adguard Home.

      • online@lemmy.mlEnglish
        44·
        10 months ago

        Yep and for some people it’s too hard to think about extensions so just having them install Brave is a perfect recommendation (for now anyway).

      • varsock@programming.devEnglish
        14·
        10 months ago

        Brave has superior fingerprint protection, they achieve this by randomizing the browsers fingerprint. Visit EFF’s cover your tracks to test your browser.

        To achieve the same functionality that brave achieves out of the box with Firefox I need many extensions and then when I profile both browsers, Firefox is more resource intensive. Brave’s blocking is native to the browser. I will give Firefox the W because I’ve read that uBlock is technically more capable. But as a long time Firefox/uBlock user who switched to brave - this has not been noticable.

        As for accessibility, I can configure brave to be really aggressive at ad blocking, tracking blocking, fingerprint blocking, and restricting JS even, and all those options I can set from one place instead of in different settings/extensions. When a website breaks, I click on the button next to the URL and immediately have options to granularly dial down the “protection” or add a website to my trusted list. In Firefox I was annoyed to having go through settings for the extension.

        Brave plans to continue supporting Manifest V2 after Google kills it. For Ungoogled Chromium, however, it’s still undecided, likely depending on whether UG contributors are willing to maintain it.

    • varsock@programming.devEnglish
      26·
      10 months ago

      Brave has superior fingerprint protection, they achieve this by randomizing the browsers fingerprint. Visit EFF’s cover your tracks to test your browser.

      To achieve the same functionality that brave achieves out of the box with Firefox I need many extensions and then when I profile both browsers, Firefox is more resource intensive. Brave’s blocking is native to the browser. I will give Firefox the W because I’ve read that uBlock is technically more capable. But as a long time Firefox/uBlock user who switched to brave - this has not been noticable.

      As for accessibility, I can configure brave to be really aggressive at ad blocking, tracking blocking, fingerprint blocking, and restricting JS even, and all those options I can set from one place instead of in different settings/extensions. When a website breaks, I click on the button next to the URL and immediately have options to granularly dial down the “protection” or add a website to my trusted list. In Firefox I was annoyed to having go through settings for the extension.

      Brave plans to continue supporting Manifest V2 after Google kills it. For Ungoogled Chromium, however, it’s still undecided, likely depending on whether UG contributors are willing to maintain it.

    • prosp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      513·
      10 months ago

      Because Firefox Android sucks, no trolling. It’s slow and in some pages, specially with video DRM don’t even work. Two, there are features lacking on Firefox for few use cases like clipboard with VNC “Your browser is not configured to allow access to your computer’s clipboard”. Besides, people here are so politically biased that they are capable of justify some crap that comes with Firefox such as pocket full of ads, ads by default on Android in the main page, and other less “shady” things, like Mozilla CEOs salary. I will be open to considerate again by default if Firefox Android receives a great performance upgrade. Something that I liked about brave here is that they said it will support MV2 extensions when MV3 comes.

        • prosp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          12·
          10 months ago

          I’m using Firefox Nightly on Android, there is not other bleeding edge branch. On desktop the story is completely different. Listen, I’m not here because of the politics. Eich is shit because his postures about gay marriage, we all know that. I am here exclusively to talk about performance and what is the better tech stack of browsers.

          • flambonkscious@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            10 months ago

            Cool man, I agree on Eich, not that I was aware of it at all before. It’s tragic how politics complicates everything for all the wrong reasons.

            I don’t know what the best tech stack is (esp. on mobile), and I’ve always hated how mobile-based Firefox struggles to go full screen with videos half of the time.

            I think fennec is just a fork that removes some Mozilla tracking, possibly only available via FDroid(?). It’s no different really…

  • Paddzr@lemmy.worldEnglish
    251·
    10 months ago

    It’s a real shame industry doesn’t embrace firefox. There’s far too many things i rely on which only runs on chromium.

    • 4am@lemm.eeEnglish
      11·
      10 months ago

      Change your user-agent string and what do you know they magically all work in Firefox, wow

      • cley_faye@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        10 months ago

        No idea how MS Teams go these days, but at some point they did do something silly that would break in Firefox, no free pass. Knowing that it doesn’t do anything fancy and that it worked before, it made us very suspicious that this was a targeted move.

        • Evkob@lemmy.caEnglish
          11·
          10 months ago

          The easiest way is by using an add-on. Alternatively, you can change it manually under general.useragent.override in your about:config

          Also I swear I’m not trying to be an ass, but entering “how to change user agent string firefox” in your preferred search engine would have gotten you an answer much quicker.

    • berg@lemm.eeEnglish
      01·
      10 months ago

      I call bullshit, take the time to readjust and you’ll find replacements. Maybe not as good, but we gotta start somewhere. And this is me hoping you’re talking about some arbitrary devtools.

      • cley_faye@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        10 months ago

        Yeah, sure, go work in any corporate environment that have to work with outsiders, or even just a slightly large structure, and just tell people “take time to readjust, and you’ll find replacements”.

        I’m in a very small structure, and even getting people to ditch Outlook in favor of Thunderbird is impossible because “they can’t work with it”. I know what they do with Outlook, I know they can do it with Thunderbird, but that does not make people magically accept change. We setup a whole ecosystem of tools, self-hosted, that performs adequately and can handle everything we do. This did not stop management from getting more Teams license.

        Wishful thinking is nice as long as you live in a vacuum or are omnipotent. Back in the real, non frictionless world, this takes time, careful preparation, and the slightest bump will throw all efforts out the window.

        • berg@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          10 months ago

          I’m not even talking about ditching Office 365, I’m talking about ditching Chrome, for Firefox, where O365 works just as well. I don’t even mind O365 in corporate environments. It simplifies things. I do mind it for my personal stuff though.

          There’s very little friction for a non tech-savvy person to ditch Chrome for Firefox as long as you help them transfer their passwords and bookmarks. The biggest complaint will be “it looks different”, which sure can be a no go. There should be even less friction for a tech-savvy person.

    • LedgeDrop@lemm.eeEnglish
      6·
      10 months ago

      Thanks for the comprehensive write-up. It convinced me to migrate back to Firefox.

      I was on Firefox (8 years ago), moved to Chrome (I liked the non-admin/transparent update feature and Websites didn’t break like they did with ff), then moved to brave (basically chrome + more privacy), and now I’ll go back the Firefox (I hope I won’t encounter too many non-FF websites)

        • LedgeDrop@lemm.eeEnglish
          3·
          10 months ago

          Neato, I’ll check it out. I’m also trying out mull for android (as I’d like to keep my desktop/cellphone bookmarks/browser-history in sync)

          • LedgeDrop@lemm.eeEnglish
            21·
            10 months ago

            I expect to have some website compatibility issues with Firefox/librewolf, as it does have a 3% share of the global browser market - so, website development energy is focused on the chrome/safari experience. However, 8+ years ago I felt I needed to use chrome at least every other day to view certain websites - it was frustrating.

            I’m hoping (and willing to try it out) to see if this has improved.

      • AItoothbrush@lemmy.zipEnglish
        2·
        10 months ago

        If you want to non ff sites to work on ff you can just spoof tour user agent. 90% of non ff sites actually work. Some use web usb and bluetooth stuff that doesnt work on ff.

    • PlexSheep@feddit.deEnglish
      2·
      10 months ago

      I always use do not track. If they fingerprint me with that, they are explicitly disregarding it. It obviously gives moral superiority.

    • 4am@lemm.eeEnglish
      123·
      10 months ago

      Ok yeah it’s much easier to get my dad to tell me he’s on “v2.12.6.001-build7F2023n12-kb0A hotfix”

      who gives a shit my dude? “Oh my god, 120? How ludicrous! There’s not even a decimal point or a hyphen! I run arch btw”

      • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
        52·
        10 months ago

        Ok yeah it’s much easier to get my dad to tell me he’s on “v2.12.6.001-build7F2023n12-kb0A hotfix”

        That’s a false dichotomy. Firefox version numbering was never like that. It used the scheme major_version.minor_version.patch_release like almost every piece of software except browsers still uses.

        The advantage of this system is that the numbers are meaningful: they tell you how significant a release is, whereas with straight versioning the version number gives you no clue about what the “119 to 120 upgrade” contains. It might be simple bugfixes, it might add some new functionality or it might be a complete overhaul that breaks everything.

        The reason why browsers switched to a straight versioning scheme was never to make it easier for users to identify which release they’re on. The reason was artificial version inflation (i.e. “my version is bigger than yours”), and to force users into an incessant upgrade treadmill. In the past users could for example hold back on a major release upgrade until all the kinks were worked out while still receiving maintenance for their older major release.

      • Subverb@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        10 months ago

        I remember using Nvidia drivers in the 70s years ago. I also remember thinking it was crazy when they rolled over 100. 😂

        • Free Palestine 🇵🇸@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          10 months ago

          it was crazy when they rolled over 100

          It was the same with Firefox and Chromium when they hit version 100. Some developers were scared that websites would start crashing because of the three digit version string in the user-agent.

    • ViscloReader@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      10 months ago

      I think it’s alright, sure it’s not conventional but you get the point after all and non techy people also get the point. bigger number = highest update

  • guyrocket@kbin.social
    7·
    10 months ago

    I know this won’t affect LibreWolf immediately but can anyone speculate as to how or when the Firefox updates would affect LibreWolf, if at all?

    I switched from FF to LW recently so I’m just curious what the relationship(s) might be.

    ETA: Another question: How do I update LW without the LW updater? Uninstall and reinstall? Thanks!

  • Elias Griffin@lemmy.worldEnglish
    94·
    10 months ago

    Mozilla Foundation fronts Mozilla Corporation which is for-profit and brings in nearly a Billion in revenue.

    Don’t donate, do harden it.

  • sviper@programming.devEnglish
    44·
    10 months ago

    Firefox is good privacy wise, but does not have sensible default. Also there have been times when mozilla have made not so promising statements.

    For true privacy enthusiasts see See LibreWolf