• hyperhopper@lemmy.ml
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    10 months ago

    You have it backwards. This is not too stop fake photos, despite the awful headline. It’s to attempt to provide a chain of custody and attestation. “I trust tom only takes real photos, and I can see this thing came from Tom”

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      10 months ago

      And if the credentials get published to a suitable public timestamped database you can also say “we know this photo existed in this form at this specific time.” One of the examples mentioned in the article is the situation where that hospital got blown up in Gaza and Israel posted video of Hamas launching rockets to try to prove that Hamas did it, and the lack of a reliable timestamp on the video made it somewhat useless. If the video had been taken with something that published certificates within minutes of making it that would have settled the question.

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        10 months ago

        That doesn’t really work. If the private key is leaked, you’re left in a quandary of “Well who knew the private key at this timestamp?” and it becomes a guessing game.

        Especially in the scenario you posit. Nation-state actors with deep pockets in the middle of a war will find ways to bend hardware to their will. Blindly trusting a record just because it’s timestamped is foolish.

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          10 months ago

          You’re right, it isn’t perfect so we shouldn’t bother trying. 🙄

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                10 months ago

                We’re talking about a signature that’s published in a public database. The camera’s timestamp doesn’t matter, just the database’s.

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          10 months ago

          If all that you’re interested in is the timestamp then you don’t even really need to have a signature at all - just the hash of the image is sufficient to prove when it was taken. The signature is only important if you care about trying to establish who took the picture, which in the case of this hospital explosion is not as important.

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              10 months ago

              You post it publicly somewhere that has a timestamp. A blockchain would be best because it can’t be tampered with.

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                10 months ago

                That proves it existed at a specific time in the past, not that it didn’t exist before that. What’s stopping a hash of the Mona Lisa on a block chain with today’s date?

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                  10 months ago

                  It also doesn’t materialize ponies out of nothing. It can’t do everything, but surely you can see that there are a lot of situations where being able to say with confidence that “this picture existed in exactly this form at exactly this date” is a super useful thing?

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                    10 months ago

                    It doesn’t prove when it was created, only that it existed. Previous poster /u/lolcatnip is talking about creation date

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        10 months ago

        Unless the evil maid is also capable of time travel there’s no way for them to mess with the timestamps of things once they’ve been published. She could take some pictures with the camera but not tamper with ones that have already been taken.