Senior men have higher rates of suicide than average, and firearms were involved in more than three-quarters of those deaths in 2021, according to a CDC report

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    To preface for others, I have placed some of the more triggering parts of this discussion behind the spoiler tags so others reading can avoid the more sensitive part of these discussions.

    I probably should have said “many suicides are an impulse”

    You should not have over stated the minority. I understand, anything to further your political rhetoric.

    It remains one of the most effective methods of suicide prevention

    And yet the suicide statistics CLEARLY show it made NO difference for Australia, none.

    spoiler

    Better ban rope now, hangings now dwarf suicide by guns as the leading cause.

    Clearly you can’t even be bothered reading the statistics, not a study, statistics. If you had bothered to read the statistics of means over time, it clearly shows the volume has only increased over 5 decades and the means has drastically changed. The change in access made, NO difference in the outcome.

    So you’re saying that men have greater access to some kind of “means”.

    That was a typo on my part which you can clearly see if you read the two sentences together. Not means; intent. Absolutely men have far more intent then women. Pick any study, the conclusion is the same: intent.

    I’m the one advocating that we take steps to reduce the suicide rate, using repeatedly proven strategies.

    repeatedly proven strategies.

    That baseless claim at it again. Its statistics show the exact opposite.

    pro-gun commenters that you seemingly agree with

    No. I’m disagreeing with political bots like yourself “PoliticalAgiotator” wedging an agenda to benefit your politics. Its disingenuous garbage. I’m keeping my politics out of it, I find it weird how uncontrolled guns are in the US however I am not deluded by how little of an impact it has had here. It detracts from real discussion to address the real cause.

    I even did it without bringing gender into it,

    didn’t stop you from seeing the words “women” and “suicide” used in the same post and twisting it

    The delusion is pretty bad for you. You have not read the post title, let alone the article or even the statistics I provided. Welcome to the conversation, or is that the point: to derail and not contribute.

    Yep, I see the statistics

    For some strange reason, I highly doubt you read anything at all.

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      To preface for others, I have placed some of the more triggering parts of this discussion behind the spoiler tags

      As you argue against proven suicide prevention strategies. How very compassionate of you.

      Clearly you can’t even be bothered reading the statistics, not a study, statistics.

      It makes sense that you’d focus on numbers without any greater context, because it makes it far easier to manipulate them. I’ve already addressed your bullshit arguments in your other comment.

      Alternatively, people can just click the link above and get the opinions of an institute dedicated to suicide prevention and the studies they’ve based it on, then decide if they’re likely to know more or less about suicide prevention than this random guy on social media.

      Not means; intent. Absolutely men have far more intent then women. Pick any study, the conclusion is the same: intent.

      So you’re saying that women are just doing it for attention and thats why their suicide rate is lower and why they don’t use guns?

      That’s the opinion of a complete cunt, but I cant figure out any other reason for you to even mention it.

      For some strange reason, I highly doubt you read anything at all

      Okay then, lets do it this way: find me three suicide prevention organizations that don’t support means reduction or explain to us how you’re more qualified than the literally hundreds that do.

      This shouldn’t be a problem right? After all, you’re definitely correct and trawling through hundreds of studies, statistics and statements to individually link them on social media is a trivial thing that it’s not dishonest to demand.

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        How very compassionate of you.

        So that’s your compassion? Ignore others around you hey. Makes sense.

        because it makes it far easier to manipulate them

        Oh this is hilarious, do tell, how I manipulate an entire countries statistics on suicide over time!

        and get the opinions of an institute dedicated to suicide prevention

        They’re absolutely right, as a generalization. Does it stop the result when access was taken away specifically for Guns. The statistics clearly show means changed over time and did the rate reduce? No. That rope lobby is looking mighty dangerous now. You better get on the case.

        women are just doing it for attention

        Is that what I said? Don’t worry, I don’t just make baseless claims or tell you to just google something that doesn’t exist. Suicide rate is 3 times higher for males, after all this is the topic with Guns.

        higher rate of suicide among Australian males are that males tend to choose more lethal methods of suicide such as hanging (60% of male suicides), poisoning, including by car exhaust (11%), and firearms (8%). (Australian Psychological Society)

        men have a greater tendency to not recognize or respond to their own negative emotions or distress, which may result in more chronic and severe emotional responses to adverse life events (Goldney et al., 2002)

        Men are less inclined to communicate feelings of despair or hopelessness, and are more likely to present a stoic attitude towards misfortune (Howerton et al., 2007; Witte et al., 2012)

        have fewer social connections (Denney et al 2009)

        Differences in help seeking between men and women are additional contributing factors. Men tend not to seek help for emotional difficulties, often feeling that help-seeking is a weakness or failure and preferring to solve problems on their own, without being a burden on others (Emslie et al 2006)

        That’s the opinion of a complete cunt,

        Don’t worry you do enough gas lighting and straw-manning for everyone. At this point its assured you’re lobbying for big oil.

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          Yep, what a surprise, you can’t find any organisations that agree with you, even though your clearly the expert.

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            So you have no evidence no study and no statistics to support your baseless claims and generalisations. I thought so.

            A pathetic political wedge attempt.

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              Repeatedly linked. Have the gun lobby built a GPT bot and taught it to sealion?

              You should get a job at a suicide hotline and when people call up, ask them if they’ve considered buying a cool gun and shooting things because after all, it makes no difference at all if you give suicidal people firearms.

              You know, because Australia banned semi-automatic weapons.

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                So more generalisations no studies no statistics, nothing of value to the conversation. More baseless claims and empty straw manning. Keep up the good work big oil.