If anything, cannabis seems like a much better (and more profitable) drug around which to build a leisurely establishment.
There are some board game cafes in the states. And some of those overlap with legal weed :) but smoking indoors in public is still a no-go
The difference is you can’t taste other people’s alcohol but you can smell others’ smoke
People who are going to a place to smoke typically wouldn’t mind that. Take cigar or vape lounges, for instance. Also it’s usually people who don’t smoke weed who act like the smell of weed bothers them.
right but my point is if a group of friends want to go to a bar and some people don’t smoke or like the smell of smoke then there is a problem, it’s not like they can just opt not to smell smoke
…that’s why you would only go to a place like that if everyone is down. Having them for people that want to go is fine, no one is forced to go.
That sounds nice in theory, but in reality the result is usually that if the majority of a group smokes, the nonsmokers don’t have much of a choice except for looking for new friends. That was a very common complaint when smoking in pubs and restaurants was still legal here.
Just because one person doesn’t want to go to something doesn’t mean they shouldn’t exist. You’re basically saying one person’s opinion/choice outweighs an entire group. If those choices constantly put you at odds with the group it might be best to find a group that aligns with your values more. There’s also nothing wrong with being friends with the people that want to go to things you don’t like, just tag along when they do things you do like. You also don’t have to have one set of friends, you can have multiple groups that like to do different things. I’m not pro banning things for the sake of others that can choose not to participate.
Dry vaporizers (with temperature below 200C, convection-based) don’t have smoke so are a lot less offensive with smell, if not odorless particularly with access to fresh air.
Also people smelling of alcohol, particularly if they are drunk or drinking liquor, is definitely a thing. Also barfing. I wouldn’t doubt bars having bad smells sometimes.
Right but you can consume cannabis in tons of different ways - cookies, cocktails, etc. Restaurants had smoking areas for decades with far worse air filtration systems.
You can certainly smell other people’s alcohol. Most pubs reek of cheap beer
there are THC drinks where I live, always a nice option for me to have at gatherings as a non-alcohol person.
Edibles might make it better. But then you’ll need to give people something to do for an hour or so before it kicks in…
You mean like eating, playing board games, and socializing?
More friendly environment w/dry vaporizers (bag, whip, or portable/extract) so there’s no smoke (and note the lack of lasting/scented steam clouds that people hate about flavored vape pens). Also edibles and the like… but that’s just time-delay dosed food.
I would say that drinking is a longer/more gradual experience so has more reason for a dedicated space. Though I guess the passable options that I mentioned could draw the experience out, but I’ve never done that so I’m not sure what that’s like compared to one-and-done/hanging-out-when-high.
(though as others have said, it is a thing)
I went to one in Thailand. Got to borrow a bong and play billiards and Uno and stuff, it was a real nice and comfortable little place
As long as you don’t stink. So fucking sick of weed users smelling like ass in public.
I’m sick of alcohol users smelling like ass. If you don’t drink then the smell of alcohol on someone’s breath is absolutely nauseating.
Dutch coffee shops, you mean?
This is quite common in The Netherlands. They’re called coffeeshops.
They are usually not very cozy though since they are barely legal and they don’t want to get too much attention.
As others have said, they exist mostly as coffee shops. Honestly, with the prevalence and near ubiquity of Delta 8 across USA now, I would have thought someone would have put the effort into making coffee shops. I have no idea why they haven’t gotten around to it yet. I found one that was a coffee shop that had delta 8 for sale, but not as a single product and they wouldn’t let me eat it in store…
that’s just a “coffee” shop in Netherlands
No it wouldn’t. I’m sick and tired of the childish argument that if we accept alcohol then we have to accept or introduce other substance abuses because some find it more appealing.
Why shouldn’t we accept it? Its already poven to be better for you than alcohol, many people enjoy it, and a lot less deaths per year will be caused by wee than alcohol. Should people who don’t want to drink not be allowed to have a place they can hang out similar to a bar?
Here we go again. People who don’t want to drink alcohol can hang anywhere and still don’t drink acohol. The unwillingness to drink alcohol or that “many people like it” are not actual arguments to introduce and use other health damaging substances rerdless of their nature and effects.
I just want constancy. Weed is less dangerous than alcohol. Ban both, legalize both, legalize weed but not alcohol, or keep things the way they are and drop the premise that it has anything to do with health and safety.
That “less dangerous” is so subjective and unfounded that I’m not going to address.
On the other hand do you think it’s a good idea to think in extremes? Alcohol is rooted in our culture since literally thousands of years to get it out is almost impossible now but we can struggle for moderation. Weed as we find it on the market didn’t even exist 100 years ago. So maybe it’s a good idea to introduce it get it common as alcohol so in 50 years we will have the problems with alcohol and with weed on top. Smart.
Then we can go further to other drugs because we cant leave them outside. We have to be consistent and some people really like it.
If they replaced individual bars rather than expanded the space where drug consumption is the basis of socializing.
I don’t smoke weed, but phrasing it’s usage as “drug consumption” always annoyed me. It makes it sound like it’s the same thing as heroin or meth, which it’s not even close to the same thing.
It’s the same thing as alcohol.
It isn’t. And when people say “drugs” they’re almost never talking about alcohol anyway, unless the conversation is literally about the designation of what constitutes a drug and what doesn’t, which is convoluted as heck.
Depends on your circles I suppose. Drug is drug.
Yep. I can’t stand this “oh, weed is harnless” attitude a lot of people have towards cannabis. Its an intoxicant like any other, and should be treated as such.
The amount of friends I have who think that they’re fine to smoke and drive are too damn high.
From what I recall weed is considered less harmful and addictive than alcohol. Most recent study that caught my eye was from New Zealand. Alcohol was somewhere on the top along with heroin. THC somewhere in the middle ranks.
Sure, alcohol is pretty bad. But I’ve been disappointed when looking up places to hang out, so many of them are some kind of bar. I’m fine with people using drugs on their own time, but I’d like for there to also be places where people don’t.
I don’t care about cannabis consumption in public but anything that produces smoke or vapor should be treated the same way as cigarettes. Second hand smoke exposure needs to be minimized.
I am also not sure they would be more profitable. Alcohol is dirt cheap to produce and bars charge insane amounts for it. A $10 bottle in the supermarket frequently goes for hundreds of dollars. A cannabis lounge might be more profitable right now because there is very little supply but I doubt you can have anywhere near the amount of bars or clubs.
I agree on smoke.
For vapor, note that many dangers that you have heard of are related to ecigs (liquid-based vape pens). The ones that are flavored+have nicotine and added adulterants (glycol/glycerol at least), and that use a conductive heating coil that may expose the user to heavy metals especially if they get too hot (though probably more of an issue for heavy daily use). Plus with the higher water content, breathing in the steam cloud may be a lung infection risk.
For a dry (herb) vaporizer set at a temperature under 200C (and convection-based), you don’t have those problems (2nd paragraph). I am not saying anyone should be near random people with this, but in a dedicated location it should be fine. You’re breathing significantly worse stuff being exposed to the ambient car exhaust to/from said location (also: gasoline vapor at gas stations).
The issue is that a lot of people that smoke weed in place would reak. I don’t think many people would enjoy the smell
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Consumables only. Problem solved.
Its hard to justify it for the same reasons we can’t have Shisha bars and smoking lounges (at least where I live): 2nd hand smoke.
I can, as a non drinker, go to a bar and have myself a soda, and leave there as sober as when I walked in. If I do that in a room where everyone is smoking up, I will get high from the second hand smoke whether I want to for not.
I mean, why not just have a general social club with coffee/food, games, etc, and just step outside for a puff?
The smoke issue has been solved. I’ve been to cigar lounges that do not smell outside and barely smell inside, despite over a dozen people smoking sotgies in there. Massive HVAC systems and filters handle it all.
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Cannabis can be edible and here in Milwaukee we’re already seeing farm bill delta9 show up in bars and restaurants.
There have been a few private clubs in Colorado that allow this. It tends to be bring-your-own but you can smoke and do whatever once inside after buying a membership. Apparently they’re opening more official places called consumption lounges - one is opening on Colfax in Denver soon, apparently.
I hadn’t heard about that, looks like they’re just waiting to get the ventilation/HVAC approved. Might have to a check Cirrus out when they open.
Apparently the “Coffee Joint” was able to open and allow dabbing and electronic vaping inside without needing to meet the same HVAC requirements.
