I’ve been posting in the meme communities in Lemmy for a few months now. For the most part, if I make some silly meme about how broke I am or how bad American healthcare is, it doesn’t get removed and the meme does well. But I’ve had several memes get removed that I was pretty sure don’t violate the rules of the instance or the community and now I’m getting pretty frustrated. In each case, I’ve gone to the modlog and (if there’s any reason given at all) they say that I violated a rule that is written so generally that anything could count as violating it. Meanwhile, a meme about American kids killed in a school shooting makes the top of front page.
Now, if you’ve made it this far, your first reaction is to question whether my posts are crossing the line. But I think all of my memes are pretty light hearted even if they’re about controversial subject matter. Let me give you a few examples.
A few weeks a go I posted a meme with the caption “My wife out-drinking everyone at the table-- Our unborn son:” [picture of Tom the cat in the womb]. I understand abortion is a touchy subject for some people, but it’s not like I was advocating for or against abortion. After that, I posted a meme complaining about the lack of specificity of the rules on Lemmy and that post also got removed. That’s enough to let me know that the mods on that instance (lemmy.ml) will delete anything they disagree with. But I’m sure that a meme about killing the rich 1% with guillotines would stay up no problem.
I know what your thinking: Lemmy is a big place, just post on a different instance. And I thought the same thing. I went over to lemmyshitposts@lemmy.world thinking that if they’re allowing shitposts, then they would have a more lax mod policy. Post a few memes about innocuous things, it goes fine. Then I post a meme that pokes fun at the LGBTQIA+ acronym for being too long and that gets removed too. So I’m coming to the realization that any post that is completely innocuous or anodyne to the mods is fine, but if you even touch on certain subjects (e.g., miscarriages, queer culture, Lemmy’s rules, etc) it will get taken down.
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I’m coming to the realization that any post that is completely innocuous or anodyne to the mods is fine, but if you even touch on certain subjects (e.g., miscarriages, queer culture, Lemmy’s rules, etc) it will get taken down.
I think polarization plays a big part of it. People are quick to downvote/remove stuff that looks like it’s from the “other side.”
Would it be a good idea to make a community moderation meeting where every mod must be present and agreeing on common rules of moderation? (I don’t know if they already do this - I don’t know anything about moderating this place)
At least one of those is super innocuous and I have no idea why it got moderated. I have thoughts on the others.
LGBTQ+: You probably just don’t want to fuck with any marginalized communities, even if it’s a pretty light touch. It’s not hard to apply a valid slippery slope argument here.
Unborn child: Abortion is a touchy area, but what is reaaalllly touchy is miscarriage, Your meme could be pretty upsetting for someone who has had one or knows someone who has (we all do). I obviously can’t mindread the mods, but there’s a another angle that could explain the deletion. People get worked up about this shit man
Bottom line: if you wanna do edgier memes, fire up an EdgelordMemez community and have at it.
Strong moderation is the only thing that keeps a community a community. A good community is a community that says, “No, you and your content are not welcome.”
The lack of that is why platforms like Twitter fail at creating community, just an amalgamation of people throwing their shit into a worldwide circlejerk.
What I’m trying to say is that moderators do not serve your they don’t need to really give reasons or be consistent. They shape the community they Foster.
If your content is removed, find a community that accepts you, because the communities you found do not.
I’m going to respectfully disagree; we should not leave things entirely up to the mods. The rules should be clear about what is or isn’t allowed in the community. Having vague rules that leave it up to mod discretion is a recipe for the mods to take things down for arbitrary reasons (e.g., a liberal mod taking down anything conservative). It is clear to me that this is already happening, because I made a meme complaining about the rules and that was also removed.
I’m happy to let mods carve out a bunch of niche communities with their own preferences. The fediverse is a big place. If you don’t like instances that are protective of LGBT+ folks you’re cutting it down a bit, but genuinely, you seem to be deliberately picking topics that troll the specific community you’re posting on, then you complained that they took it down. Post where your post will be welcome, stop complaining when you post where you already know it’s not. Reddit and twitter are pretty right wing and troll friendly. Maybe you’ll be happier there.
I hesitate to do this because I don’t want to get the post removed, but here are the memes that were taken down. Judge for yourself if they’re bigoted or as light-hearted as I think they are: https://imgur.com/a/8oNroeo
Anyone who is offended by these needs to calm down and remember that it’s ok to not take everything so seriously.
None of these are hateful in any way. The one about mods definitely has some targeted sass to it, but that’s pretty light.
In my experience from lurking around Lemmy, it seems that the big instances are largely populated by stereotypically “reddit-left” people, which includes finding a lot of things offensive (whether they’re actually offended or not) and being relatively hostile to people who don’t seem to share their worldview, seemingly considering it the default that everyone should know and accept. You can see it in this thread as well.
Not being an American and being culturally outside of american partisanship, this has been quite the disappointment for me, but what can you do.
Please expand on “reddit-left”.
Please expand on “reddit-left”.
I cannot speak for someone else, but I’m still willing to chime in.
Slacktivists nominally aligned to social causes, and fairly vocal about them, but unwilling to lift a single finger on what matters.
Patronising towards marginalised groups. Often with an implicit “they shouldn’t empower themselves, they should rely on people like ME to defend them, poor things”.
Eager to defend corporations once they wash something in pink, black, or green, due to ignorance on the impact of the economic system on marginalised groups.
Assumptive as a brick and eager to witch hunt. Including distorting what others say to point fingers, or screeching at any sort of internal criticism as if it was a sign of allegiance to the other side.
Eager to employ Chewbacca defence and whataboutism when called out on blatant prejudice, in a way that sounds as irrational as “I have a black friend so I cannot be transphobic lol lmao”.
They’re the living proof that even a broken clock is right twice a day. Because, even if the alt right is idiotic, idioticising, morally repugnant and epistemically laughable, they might have a point when they say that those guys are “virtue signalling”. They don’t genuinely care about the marginalised groups, and they don’t want to change shit, they care about their own precious OH SO PRECIOUS feelings of “being the good guy”. (Except that the alt right is unable to recognise that their own ranks stink the same putrid smell as those guys, plus everything else.)
This sort of “nominally left-wing, but effectively right-wing” individual is by no means exclusive to Reddit, mind you. And there are plenty exceptions to it, even in that shithole. Even then, if you hit someone claiming to be “left-wing” in Reddit, there’s a good chance that the person is like this.
I align with the majority of the politics of “reddit left”, but I also have a sense of humor, so I don’t claim the pearl-clutchers.
in other words, you’re upset that memes that punch up are accepted and memes that punch down aren’t
I think that’s willfully distorting the situation. Punching down should refer to jokes that seem to be or obviously are made with malicious intent, it’s not about certain groups being protected from humor altogether, that’s infantilizing. From what OP said and posted somewhere in this thread I don’t think their jokes were in any way malicious.
I just want to chime in and agree.
Treating any demographic like they’re too fragile to hear a clean joke (not hateful or malicious) is insulting in its own way.
It doesn’t even have to be a touchy subject.
I’ve seen plenty of complaints about lemmy.ml being the worst offender for this, removing stuff that is so innocuous that you could show your grandmother at church, because someone in charge found a contorted way to be offended by it. (or worse, because it was critical of China or something)
I think users will ultimately find the path of least resistance, and the least heavy-handed instances will have a healthier growth.
