Dude Andrew Tate is literally recorded on one of his accurser’s voicemail not even trying to hide it. You can find that recording and listen to it (the behind the bastards podcast has a whole series on him that includes this clip, and others). He admits to strangling her, among other things. And that’s just one of a bazillion other smash-dunk points against him.
From the verge article, it would seem there is also likely video evidence: “Tate and the other defendants are alleged to have recruited seven people by misleading them about an intent “to establish a marriage/cohabitation relationship,” according to the Romanian law enforcement agency Directorate for Investigating Organized Crime and Terrorism (DIICOT). They were later held against their will and, through “physical violence and mental pressure,” sexually exploited on video for distribution on social media, the agency wrote.” (emphasis mine)
Meanwhile you’re accusing a whole bunch of women you know nothing about of possibly being blackmailers, based on nothing, because you don’t seem to have researched this at all. This is himpathy, not “innocent until proven guilty”. Where’s the “innocent until proven guilty” assumption for the women, vs the 1 man with a pile of evidence against him?
I agree on nearly all, and I admit of not being informed on the details. I disagree on this: I’m not accusing the women, because I’m in favor of a fair process against Andrew Tate, not against the women; the number of women against one man is not a proof, because despite the common sense, in many cases of false accusations, there were two or more women against a man, and they were lying.
There is a non-zero chance of virtually everything. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that the amount of accusations against him is proof, and I’m sure he will not be indicted without proof.
You must see that "in many cases of false accusation, there were two or more women against a man, [and they were lying]¹“ is also not proof of anything.
What is your metric for “cases of false accusations”? Are we talking rape cases only? There is already a heavy bias towards women in that category, as more women are raped than men². Just because cases exist where women have made false accusations does not mean that every single accusation should not be taken seriously. If the accusation can’t be proved, or is proved to be false, then that’s the way it is, and the appropriate consequences, or lack of them, follow.
There are likely to be more cases of false accusations by women against men than vice versa, both because social norms and machismo make it less likely than a man will falsely accuse a woman of rape, and because raped women outweigh raped men at a ratio of around 6:1 (in the US, at least). What constitutes a “false accusation”? Exclusively that it was proven that the accusations were false? Or does that group also contain cases where rape couldn’t be proved?
You prefaced your statement with “I would not like many of the women he frequents³”. Is your personal opinion of “the women her frequents” an indicator of whether or not he was capable of raping or trafficking them? Is it in any way relevant at all?
Dude Andrew Tate is literally recorded on one of his accurser’s voicemail not even trying to hide it. You can find that recording and listen to it (the behind the bastards podcast has a whole series on him that includes this clip, and others). He admits to strangling her, among other things. And that’s just one of a bazillion other smash-dunk points against him.
From the verge article, it would seem there is also likely video evidence: “Tate and the other defendants are alleged to have recruited seven people by misleading them about an intent “to establish a marriage/cohabitation relationship,” according to the Romanian law enforcement agency Directorate for Investigating Organized Crime and Terrorism (DIICOT). They were later held against their will and, through “physical violence and mental pressure,” sexually exploited on video for distribution on social media, the agency wrote.” (emphasis mine)
Meanwhile you’re accusing a whole bunch of women you know nothing about of possibly being blackmailers, based on nothing, because you don’t seem to have researched this at all. This is himpathy, not “innocent until proven guilty”. Where’s the “innocent until proven guilty” assumption for the women, vs the 1 man with a pile of evidence against him?
I agree on nearly all, and I admit of not being informed on the details. I disagree on this: I’m not accusing the women, because I’m in favor of a fair process against Andrew Tate, not against the women; the number of women against one man is not a proof, because despite the common sense, in many cases of false accusations, there were two or more women against a man, and they were lying.
There is a non-zero chance of virtually everything. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that the amount of accusations against him is proof, and I’m sure he will not be indicted without proof.
You must see that "in many cases of false accusation, there were two or more women against a man, [and they were lying]¹“ is also not proof of anything.
What is your metric for “cases of false accusations”? Are we talking rape cases only? There is already a heavy bias towards women in that category, as more women are raped than men². Just because cases exist where women have made false accusations does not mean that every single accusation should not be taken seriously. If the accusation can’t be proved, or is proved to be false, then that’s the way it is, and the appropriate consequences, or lack of them, follow.
There are likely to be more cases of false accusations by women against men than vice versa, both because social norms and machismo make it less likely than a man will falsely accuse a woman of rape, and because raped women outweigh raped men at a ratio of around 6:1 (in the US, at least). What constitutes a “false accusation”? Exclusively that it was proven that the accusations were false? Or does that group also contain cases where rape couldn’t be proved?
You prefaced your statement with “I would not like many of the women he frequents³”. Is your personal opinion of “the women her frequents” an indicator of whether or not he was capable of raping or trafficking them? Is it in any way relevant at all?
¹ - If the accusations were false, they were implicitly lying. ² - https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence ³ - “Frequents”. Yuck.