• tookmyname@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    I’m happy to be reading about this on a 3rd party app for a growing redddit alternative. Feels right.

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      I had never heard of this guy before the most recent debacle and I’m on the internet a lot. So at least it’s good that his reach wasn’t really as far as it might seem.

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          I agree. I personally don’t have anything filtered out though. I just don’t use Twitter, which I take it is where most of the talk about this guy was. I also really specifically used (until recently) /r/all to make sure I’m getting what is hopefully a representative survey of what other people care about and are talking about and I also just check the regular news. It’s important to me to get a well rounded view on things.

          I’ve definitely heard about most of the other edge lords though. Chowder, eyebrows mcgoo, the one that looks like a hipster bartender, and the one that looks like a hobo with dead eyes.

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    As much as I’m glad that Andrew Tate is facing criminal charges, I think we need to address the root cause of our societal ills. Tate isn’t the cause but rather a symtpom.

    We really need to step back and ask ourselves why somebody so brazenly misogynistic has attracted a following of millions and has become a role model to teenage boys especially.

    I can explain exactly why, because we’ve created a growing social underclass of men who cannot earn a living, cannot find a romantic partner, cannot live fulfilling lives, and anybody who they turn to either mocks them, fobs them off, or give them false platitudes, which is why they turn to toxic masculinity and the Manosphere for guidance.

    The reality is that inceldom is largely an economic issue that has resulted from decades of stagnated wages which have disproportionately affected men, because despite our best efforts to create an egalitarian society, we still overwhelmingly find men unattractive if they are not the strong hunter-gatherers and providers that our biology has been conditioned over millions of years to find physically attractive. Our biology has not caught up to the millennia of societal progress we’ve made because evolution is a much slower process.

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      This is a good take. There are many men who are stuck and undersupported so they are turning to dark places. That is the issue. This was just a jackass using them for fame.

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        Unfortunately it’s a take that I’ve been shadowbanned from posting on Reddit.

        Someone probably put an automoderator filter that automatically removes my comment if it contains the word ‘incel’, or any other word they think is problematic.

        It’s actually fucking liberating that I can more freely speak my mind on Lemmy… And this isn’t even a free speech platform.

        Goes to show what a clown fiesta Reddit has become.

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      Hmm, I don’t think I’m with you. You say men are incels because they’re poor and can’t find a girl. From what I’ve seen, they can’t find a girl because of deeply rooted, misogynistic beliefs that turn people off. If also like to see your citation for wage stagnation affecting men more than women, because every study I’ve seen says the wage gap has stayed the same or widened in the last few years. I know many, many men who aren’t the strong hunter gatherer type and have loving wives or girlfriends. The difference is those guys aren’t assholes.

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        they can’t find a girl because of deeply rooted, misogynistic beliefs that turn people off

        People aren’t born with misogynistic beliefs. They also aren’t taught them in school.

        also like to see your citation for wage stagnation affecting men more than women

        I’m not going to google search for you, but it’s pretty easy to see that wage stagnation affects men more because traditionally, men are expected to be the provider for the household and women have traditionally had the option of not starting a career and just finding a man instead. I’m not saying that women are not affected, but they have an economic “out” that men generally don’t have.

        I know many, many men who aren’t the strong hunter gatherer type and have loving wives or girlfriends. The difference is those guys aren’t assholes.

        I’m willing to bet that they also have stable jobs. Also, if you’re one of them of course you’d know a bunch of other men who are similar; this says nothing about a large swath of men that the grandparent comment is referring to.

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          People aren’t born with any beliefs. What’s your explanation for racism, homophobia, fascism, and other hateful views and behavior? People learn that stuff by their environment growing up, and there’s an awful lot of toxic masculinity.

          And you’re argument about poverty and wage stagnation would make more sense if there weren’t so many poor people in happy marriages.

          No, I hear your argument, but it doesn’t seem to hold water to me. The simpler answer is that some men are taught to believe shitty things growing up. Those shitty things lead to shitty behaviors that cause people not to be around them. The worst ones are the ones who believe men should be dominant over women, but are also timid or introverted, making them angry pressure cookers.

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            I think his point was that it’s ok for a woman to not earn much without it impacting her attractiveness to men, while the reverse isn’t true. There is a reason why rich millionaire falling in love with poor woman is a romance novel trope while not so much the other way around.

            Finances are part of the attraction in a male if looking for actual relationships. You ain’t not gonna impress a woman flipping burgers at McD while men don’t care what a woman’s job is if she’s pretty and fun to be around.

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      I can’t agree with that. Being poor is not an excuse to be a shitbag. A lot of those guys aren’t even trying to change anything, they put all the blame on corporations as if it somehow makes their behavior justified, and then spend their days on incel forums.

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      I believe that was just coincidental timing. Not complaining though, because it made it all much more exciting.

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        It wasn’t just timing. His reply to Greta was what led the Romanian police to know he was in Romania and close to which pizza restaurant.

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          I did read that that was actually a coincidence, and they already knew he was in the country. But reality is often stranger than fiction, so who knows.

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    One more grifter preying on young men has fallen. This is a nice day.

    Also 666th upvote

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      Preying on young women and young men. Probably being enslaved and trafficked is worse for the women than it was for the young men dragged into his sphere of influence. Thoroughly evil man.

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    Hopefully he gets convicted. The evidence is ostensibly damning, but sleazeballs like him always seem to manage to avoid real repercussions.

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    Well, well. If it isn’t the consequences of their shitty, abhorrent behaviour! Here’s hoping to a long, long prison sentence for these fucks.

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    Didn’t a wonderful girl get the best of him when he messed with her on the Internet?

    Tate is one of the worst of the right. Glad justice is coming for him.

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    Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving fellow! It’s rare that a person’s achievements are repaid with the commensurate rewards… but this proves that such miracles do happen every now and then.