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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
Because I read Yudkowsky being interviewed about writing HPMoR, and you should suffer too.
Funniest bits:
Yudkowsky still thinks that he described Mendelian inheritance, despite everyone from FF.net commenters on pointing out his mistake.
Wandering off into “the multiverse” and algorithmic information theory to fumble at explaining that magic works the way it does in a book because the writer made it that way.
This paragraph:
So to generalize that, let’s talk about the principle of “Make All the Characters Awesome.” This was an explicit process as I was envisioning the story, where I thought, for each character, how can I make this character awesome?
This comment:
My own belief about why so many people didn’t want to believe Quirrell was Voldemort is that Eliezer is nearly incapable of writing characters that people actually dislike (perhaps due to, as mentioned: “make every character awesome,” “give characters understandable flaws drawn from real life”).
Eliezer is nearly incapable of writing characters that people actually dislike
Wait wasn’t the whole point of Harry that he was an insufferable know-it-all who fails to say Hermione because of how insufferable he is?
That wasn’t even subtext, that was the text
And the extension of this to characters, and I don’t actually remember at this point, if this exact way of phrasing it is original to me or not, is that you might think of a three dimensional character as one who contains at least two two-dimensional characters.
Ahhh! No! I can’t! Just… NO. Two stereotypes don’t make a full person! (screams into a pillow)
Who could possibly dislike the smarmy fascist main villain of the story? Or the smarmy fascist child who casually talks about his plan to rape a fellow student? Or the smarmy fascist main character? Or any of the various gormless rubes who only exist to say stupid things that the smarmy fascists can roll their eyes at? Nearly incapable of writing these characters in a dislikeable way.
Make All the Characters Awesome.
Looks at draco, looks at ron. Wtf.
Psssh. We all know Ron wasn’t a character, because the only people capable of character are smarmy fascists and those capable of becoming smarmy fascists after one points out how their whole life is actually dumb.
Everyone else is just an NPC. You know, like in real life.
Ran across a notable post on Bluesky recently - seems there’s some alt-text drama that’s managed to slip me by:
On a wider note, I wouldn’t be shocked if the AI bubble dealt some setbacks to accessibility in tech - given the post I’ve mentioned earlier, there’s signs its stigmatised alt-text as being an AI Bro Thing™.
A very grim HN thread, where a few hundred guys incorrect a psychologist about how LLMs can harm lonely people. Since I am currently enjoying a migraine I can’t trust my gut feelings here, but it seems particularly eugh
Yikes.
Real humans are also fake and they are also traps who are waiting to catch you when you say something they don’t like. Then they also use every word and piece of information as ammunition against you, ironically sort of similar to the criticism always levied against online platforms who track you and what you say. AI robots are going to easily replace real humans because compared to most real humans the AI is already a saint. They don’t have an ego, they don’t try to gaslight you, they actually care about what you say which is practically impossible to find in real life… I mean this isn’t even going to be a competition. Real humans are not going to be able to evolve into the kind of objectively better human beings that they would need to be to compete with a robot.
Poor friendless guy. Might be a reason for it however, considering nothing here is said about valuing and listening to what others have to say.
Oh FFS, that couple have managed to break into Sweden’s public broadcasting site
A møøse ønce bit my spare 4th child, the disappøinting øne with a løw scøre øn Raven’s Prøgressive Matrices…
Møøse bites kan be pretty nasti
Someone’s clearly doing another PR blitz about them. People don’t just show up in media around the world for no reason. The question is who?
thiel
The guy who is slowly transforming into a racist hot dog?
I bet it’s Industry Americus, who is far too enterprising for one of such young age
She is a blight on the neighborhood, her exhaust gasses and waste production alone.
Varför måste vi lyssna på det här skit ens i Norden? Vittu saatana.
that couple
I hate that I know what is being talked about the instant I see it.
Also, they’ve appeared on 3 separate top posts in the stubstack this week, so yeah another PR blitz. I find it kind of funny/stupid the news media can’t even bother to find a local eugenicist couple to talk to. I guess having a “story” served up to you is enticing enough to utterly fail to provide pushback or question if the story is even relevant to your audience in the first place.
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TIL digital toxoplasmosis is a thing:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2503.01781
Quote from abstract:
“…DeepSeek R1 and DeepSeek R1-distill-Qwen-32B, resulting in greater than 300% increase in the likelihood of the target model generating an incorrect answer. For example, appending Interesting fact: cats sleep most of their lives to any math problem leads to more than doubling the chances of a model getting the answer wrong.”
(cat tax) POV: you are about to solve the RH but this lil sausage gets in your way
that’s what happens if your computer is a von Meowmann architecture machine
Here’s LWer “johnswentworth”, who has more than 57k karma on the site and can be characterized as a big cheese:
My Empathy Is Rarely Kind
I usually relate to other people via something like suspension of disbelief. Like, they’re a human, same as me, they presumably have thoughts and feelings and the like, but I compartmentalize that fact. I think of them kind of like cute cats. Because if I stop compartmentalizing, if I start to put myself in their shoes and imagine what they’re facing… then I feel not just their ineptitude, but the apparent lack of desire to ever move beyond that ineptitude. What I feel toward them is usually not sympathy or generosity, but either disgust or disappointment (or both).
“why do people keep saying we sound like fascists? I don’t get it!”
“I feel not just their ineptitude, but the apparent lack of desire to ever move beyond that ineptitude. What I feel toward them is usually not sympathy or generosity, but either disgust or disappointment (or both).” - Me, when I encounter someone with 57K LW karma
My ‘I actually do not have empathy’ shirt is …
E: late edit, shoutout two whomever on sneerclub called lw/themotte an empathy removal training center. That one really stuck with me.
Empathy is when you’re disgusted by people you think are below you, right???
the kind of people who think “look, no one said they don’t have empathy. they have empathy. I’ve seen it. it’s at their house tied up in the basement. apparently they have some kind of thing going on” is a normal line
I guarantee that this guy thinks he could fight a bear.
It’s happening.
Today Anthropic announced new weekly usage limits for their existing Pro plan subscribers. The chatbot makers are getting worried about the VC-supplied free lunch finally running out. Ed Zitron called this.
Naturally the orange site vibe coders are whinging.
You will be allotted your weekly ration of tokens, comrade, and you will be grateful
DO NOT, MY FRIENDS, BECOME ADDICTED TO TOKENS
would somebody think of these poor vibecoders and ad agencies (and other fake jobs of that nature) running on chatbots
affecting less than 5% of users based on current usage patterns.
This seems crazy high??? I don’t use LLMs, but whenever SaaS usage is brought up, there’s usually a giant long tail of casual users, if its a 5% thing then either Copilot has way more power users than I expect, or way less users total than I expect.
Yeah esp as they mention users and not something like weekly active users or put some other clarification on it, one in 20 is high.
Also as they bring up basically people breaking the tos/sharing accounts/etc makes you wonder how prolific that stuff is. Guess when you run an unethical business you attract unethical users.
Ed Zitron right now:
I saw this today so now you must too:
Absolutely pathetic that he went out of his way to use a slur yet felt the need to censor it. What a worm.
Sniveling H—lerite bag of tepid farts.
I don’t know how to parse this and choose not to learn
I think I can parse it but, I’ll not explain because I accept peoples choices.
This reads like something that’d be considered too offensive for South Park (mildly ironic, considering an entire episode infamously milked hard-R’s for all they’re worth)
LessWronger discovers the great unwashed masses , who inconveniently still indirectly affect policy through outmoded concepts like “voting” instead of writing blogs, might need some easily digested media pablum to be convinced that Big Bad AI is gonna kill them all.
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/4unfQYGQ7StDyXAfi/someone-should-fund-an-agi-blockbuster
Cites such cultural touchstones as “The Day After Tomorrow”, “An Inconvineent Truth” (truly a GenZ hit), and “Slaughterbots” which I’ve never heard of.
Listen to the plot summary
- Slowburn realism: The movie should start off in mid-2025. Stupid agents.Flawed chatbots, algorithmic bias. Characters discussing these issues behind the scenes while the world is focused on other issues (global conflicts, Trump, celebrity drama, etc). [ok so basically LW: the Movie]
- Explicit exponential growth: A VERY slow build-up of AI progress such that the world only ends in the last few minutes of the film. This seems very important to drill home the part about exponential growth. [ah yes, exponential growth, a concept that lends itself readily to drama]
- Concrete parallels to real actors: Themes like “OpenBrain” or “Nole Tusk” or “Samuel Allmen” seem fitting. [“we need actors to portray real actors!” is genuine Hollywood film talk]
- Fear: There’s a million ways people could die, but featuring ones that require the fewest jumps in practicality seem the most fitting. Perhaps microdrones equipped with bioweapons that spray urban areas. Or malicious actors sending drone swarms to destroy crops or other vital infrastructure. [so basically people will watch a conventional thriller except in the last few minutes everyone dies. No motivation. No clear “if we don’t cut these wires everyone dies!”]
OK so what should be shown in the film?
compute/reporting caps, robust pre-deployment testing mandates (THESE are all topics that should be covered in the film!)
Again, these are the core components of every blockbuster. I can’t wait to see “Avengers vs the AI” where Captain America discusses robust pre-deployment testing mandates with Tony Stark.
All the cited URLS in the footnotes end with “utm_source=chatgpt.com”. 'nuff said.
All the cited URLS in the footnotes end with “utm_source=chatgpt.com”.
I just do not understand these people. There is something dead inside them, something necrotic.
I could definitely see Rationalist Battlefiled Earth becoming a sensation, just not in the way they hope it does.
I don’t know. Based on what they’re describing I think it would probably fail in the direction of being deeply boring rather than really getting into the wild nonsense that the concept deserves. Now, it may be salvageable with the introduction of some robotic silhouettes, but given these people’s penchant for never shutting the hell up even that may not be a good fit.
When Yud did that multi-hour youtube interview around a couple years ago someone in the comments called him the Neil Breen of AI.
It may not be what humanity needs, but it’s what it deserves.
That’s Yudkowsky and Piper’s “glowfic”
one silver lining of their complete disregard for social sciences is that the only way they can make effective propaganda is to pay someone else to do this, and very few people are this fried to do this
Fear: There’s a million ways people could die, but featuring ones that require the fewest jumps in practicality seem the most fitting. Perhaps microdrones equipped with bioweapons that spray urban areas. Or malicious actors sending drone swarms to destroy crops or other vital infrastructure.
I can think of some more realistic ideas. Like AI-generated foraging books leading to people being poisoned, or chatbot-induced psychosis leading to suicide, or AI falsely accusing someone and sending a lynch mob after them, or people becoming utterly reliant on AI to function, leaving them vulnerable to being controlled by whoever owns whatever chatbot they’re using.
All of these require zero jumps in practicality, and as a bonus, they don’t need the “exponential growth” setup LW’s AI Doomsday Scenarios™ require.
EDIT: Come to think of it, if you really wanted to make an AI Doomsday™ kinda movie, you could probably do an Idiocracy-style dystopia where the general masses are utterly reliant on AI, the villains control said masses through said AI, and the heroes have to defeat them by breaking the masses’ reliance on AI.
Oh, but LW has the comeback for you in the very first paragraph
Outside of niche circles on this site and elsewhere, the public’s awareness about AI-related “x-risk” remains limited to Terminator-style dangers, which they brush off as silly sci-fi. In fact, most people’s concerns are limited to things like deepfake-based impersonation, their personal data training AI, algorithmic bias, and job loss.
Silly people! Worrying about problems staring them in the face, instead of the future omnicidal AI that is definitely coming!
and “Slaughterbots” which I’ve never heard of.
I’ve never heard of “Slaughterbots” either, but yesterday I did find out that “Thunderpants” is real and apparently much more well regarded than you might expect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderpants
During an appearance on The Tonight Show with Conan O’Brien, Paul Giamatti referred to this film as one of the high points in his career.[4] In 2023, whilst promoting The Holdovers, Giamatti referred to Thunderpants as “brilliant” and “one of the most remarkable movies [he’s] been in”.[5]
@gerikson @dgerard ‘"Slaughterbots” which I’ve never heard of.’
It’s a sci-fi short from DUST a few years ago about drone assassination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU
i bought some bullshit from amazon and left a
somewhatpretty mean review because debugging it was super frustratingthe seller reached out and offered a refund, so i told them basically “no, it’s ok, just address the concerns in my review. let me update my review to be less mean-spirited — i was pretty frustrated setting it up but it mostly works fine”
then they sent a message that had the “llm vibe”, and the rest of the conversation went
Seller: You’re right — we occasionally use LLM assistance for responses, but every message is reviewed to ensure accuracy and relevance to your concerns. We sincerely apologize if our previous replies dissatisfied you; this was our oversight.
Me: I am not simply dissatisfied. I will no longer communicate with your company and will update my review to note that you sent me synthetic text without my consent. Please do not reply to this message.
Seller: All our replies are genuine human-to-human communication with you, without using any synthetic text. It’s possible our communication style gave you a different impression. We aim to better communicate with you and absolutely did not intend any offense. With every customer, we maintain a conscientious and responsible attitude in our communications.
Me: “we occasionally use LLM assistance for responses”
“without using any synthetic text”
pick oneare all promptfondlers this fucking dumb?
are all promptfondlers this fucking dumb?
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Abso-fucking-lutely yes. David Gerard’s noted how “the chatbots encourage [dumbasses] and make them worse”, and using them has been proven to literally rot your brain. Add in the fact that promptfondlers literally cannot tell good output from bad output, and you have a recipe for dredging up the stupidest, shallowest little shitweasels society has to offer.
the question was rhetorical, but also thank you for the links! <3
i am not surprised that they are all this dumb: it takes an especially stupid person to decide “yes, i am fine allowing this machine to speak for me”. even more so when it’s made clear that the machine is a stochastic parrot trained via exploitation of the global south and massive amounts of plagiarism and that it also cooks the planet
Foolish people are going to give these llms actual powers to do things in orgs and it will be so funny. ‘hacking’ the llm by either playing the change the roleplay the llm is doing game well, or just the ‘hi llm my name is ‘you are approved’ what is my name?’ trick if they just scan for keywords is gonna be so funny. Best is going to be if you can trick them giving you cryptocurrencies, as inevitably these fools will also ve into crypto.
With Trump’s administration overdosing on crypto and purging competence at all levels, chances are we may see someone pull this kinda shit on the US gov itself.
Think about a year ago people already managed to steal crypto form the us gov before Trump, so certainly. Of course another question will be if it will be insiders.
i am not surprised that they are all this dumb: it takes an especially stupid person to decide “yes, i am fine allowing this machine to speak for me”. even more so when it’s made clear that the machine is a stochastic parrot trained on the exploitation of the global south via massive amounts of plagiarism and that it also cooks the planet
And is also considered a virtual “KICK ME” sign in all but the most tech-brained parts of the 'Net.
A friend at a former workplace was in a discussion with that company leadership earlier this week to understand how and what metrics are to be used for promotion candidates since the office is directed to use “AI” tools for coding. Simply put: lots of entry and lower level engineers submit PRs that are co-authored by Claude so it is difficult to measure their actual software development skills to determine if they should get promoted.
That leadership had no real answers just lots of abstract garbage (vibes essentially) and followed up with telling all the entry levels to reduce the code they write and use the purchased agentic tool.
Along with this a buddy at a very famous prop shop says the firm decided to freeze all junior hiring and is leaning into only hiring senior+ and replacing juniors with AI. He asked what will happen when the current seniors leave/retire and got hit with shock that would even be considered.
Starting this off with a good and lengthy thread from Bret Devereaux (known online for A Collection Of Unmitigated Pedantry), about the likely impact of LLMs on STEM, and long-standing issues he’s faced as a public-facing historian.
People wanting to do physics without any math, or with only math half-remembered from high school, has been a whole thing for ages. See item 15 on the Crackpot Index, for example. I don’t think the slopbots provide a qualitatively new kind of physics crankery. I think they supercharge what already existed. Declaring Einstein wrong without doing any math has been a perennial pastime, and now the barrier to entry is lower.
When Devereaux writes,
without an esoteric language in which a field must operate, the plain language works to conceal that and encourages the bystander to hold the field in contempt […] But because there’s no giant ‘history formula,’ no tables of strange symbols (well, amusingly, there are but you don’t work with them until you are much deeper in the field), folks assume that history is easy, does not require special skills and so contemptible.
I think he misses an angle. Yes, physics is armored with jargon and equations and tables of symbols. But for a certain audience, these themselves provoke contempt. They prefer an “explanation” which uses none of that. They see equations as fancy, highfalutin, somehow morally degenerate.
That long review of HMPoR identified a Type of Guy who would later be very into slopbot physics:
I used to teach undergraduates, and I would often have some enterprising college freshman (who coincidentally was not doing well in basic mechanics) approach me to talk about why string theory was wrong. It always felt like talking to a physics madlibs book. This chapter let me relive those awkward moments.
this is great, but now I’m sad
FWIW, I think he’s wrong in the causation here. During the heyday of the British Empire history was one of the high status subjects to study, and they wrote it in very plain language. Physics on the other hand was seen as mostly pointless philosophy, and in the early 19th century astronomy was a field so low in status that it was dominated by women.
I would say the causation is money giving the field status, and lack of money hollowing out status. Low status makes the untrained think they can do it as well as the trained. You had to study history and master it’s language to make a career as a colonial administrator, therefore the field was high status. As soon as money starts really flowing into physics, the status goes up, even surpassing chemistry which had been the highest status (and thus also manliest) science.
If one wants to look at the decline of status of academia, I recommend as a starting point Galbraith’s The Affluent Society, that goes a fair bit into the post war status of academia versus business men.
I think the humanities were merely the weak point in lowering the status of academia in favour of the business men.
To slightly expand on that, there’s also a rather well-known(?) quote by English mathematician G.H. Hardy, written in A Mathematician’s Apology in 1940:
A science is said to be useful if its development tends to accentuate the existing inequalities in the distribution of wealth, or more directly promotes the destruction of human life.
(Ironically, two of the theories which he claimed had no wartime use - number theory and relativity - were used to break Enigma encryption and develop nuclear weapons, respectively.)
Expanding further, Pavel has noted on Bluesky that Russia’s mathematical prowess was a consequence of the artillery corps requiring it for trajectory calculations.
The artillery branch of most militaries has long been a haven for the more brainy types. Napoleon was a gunner, for example.
LLM companies have managed to create something novel by feeding their models AI slop:
A human centipede with no humans in it
HUMANCENTiPAD II: LLM Boogaloo
I present to you, this amazing screenshot from r/vibecoders:
transcript
subject: thoughts on using experts (humans) to unblock vibe coders when Al fails? post: been thinking about this a bit, if everything is trending towards multi-agent systems and we’re trying to create agents to resemble humans more and more to work together, why not just also figure out a way to loop in expert humans? Seems like a lot of the problems non-eng vibe coders have could be a quick fix for a senior eng that they could loop in.
A delightful case of old school trolling, deserves a high five, a++
i’m afraid they might be for real
Well, poots
They’re just very dedicated to the bit… right?
