Can we just collectively say we’re done with superhero movies that are all basically the same movie? Can we maybe tell new and unique stories instead of relying on the same tired tropes from 50 years ago?
the flash is literally every other super hero movie, and elemental is just inside out. Do something new ffs
I sometimes wonder if all ideas have just been done now, like if there is nothing new left to say?
Read more. There are more things to say than there are people to watch them. The problem is that film is art and investment bankers are the world’s worst artists. Going to movies to watch investment bankers is always terrible. They are just too dumb to realize they are always in front of the screen every time they get any control whatsoever. Investors are always conservative, and this makes copycat crap with overpaid management and cast for a formula that is anything but what people want to watch now.
I mean, even now the overwhelming majority of movies are about white men. Maybe there are other cultures, ethnicities, minority groups, etc with vastly different stories to tell? Give me a romcom about a T4T couple, or about a historical fiction about Thai mythology, or the Australian aboriginal origin stories. IMO there are lots of stories from around the world waiting to be told…
But we wont get those, we have the 653rd marvel movie coming out instead.
Great point, there is much to tell from elsewhere in the world. However Hollywood tends to take that and make it pretty much the same film again.
Maybe the issue is that Hollywood has run out of ideas and the solution is we need to be getting our films from the other ~woods instead
It’s more that so much IP is locked up behind very risk-averse megacorps, set the copyright term to 30 years (enough to profit from the initial hype and a nostalgia cycle) and it’s in the public domain without exception then we’ll suddenly see a much richer popular culture. People like to think Disney and other huge firms are creators but I’d liken them more to hoarders or the sort of people who buy restorable classic cars only to carelessly let them rot away into a puddle of rust.
If I was a dictator of a country IP reform would be quite near the top of my agenda, only an arrant philistine would argue for corporate control of Shakespeare or the Iliad in my opinion yet we think so lowly of our modern culture such greedy and disrespectful hands are allowed to monopolise it. By all means let creators profit from their creations for a while after they’re invented but what we’ve got today is an obscenity.
A less extreme version of this would be a ‘shit or get off the pot’ law that either forces an auction or better yet returns IP to the public domain that’s not been used over the last x years in a meaningful way.
Check out Austin McConnell’s Bargain Bin Cinematic Universe! Besides the animated spider mans its the only superhero movies I’ve been looking forward to for a while.
Glad The Flash is struggling. Ezra is terrible and man the propaganda campaign for this movie was so annoying. I swear it was out months ago how people have been raving about it.
Agreed. I want to see Supergirl and Michael Keaton’s Batman, but I refuse to buy a ticket because of Ezra. I’ll wait for it on Max.
Yeah this is a good choice. They did not give enough screen time to “supergirl”.
Does she even call herself that in the movie? That’s how IMDB credits her when I looked up the cast to check, but it doesn’t sound right. I was expecting Superwoman or something.
If remember correctly she is never called super girl, but by her name (which i forgot, i am super bad at names)
I know someone who posts a lot of movies on their plex, supposedly legit as they allegedly work in the industry, and I doubt I’ll even watch it there. Ewww Ezra Miller.
I don’t know if that’s a controversial opinion and I know DC doesn’t usually mix the tv show universes and the cinematic universe, but I really wish they would’ve cast Melissa Benoist as Supergirl. She’s just so charismatic that I just cannot see anyone else playing the role…
Agreed. Dude broke into a home and stole alcohol from a family in Vermont. Not interested in anything with this guy in it.
I’ve heard good things about elemental, so I’m not sure why people aren’t going to see it. But with the flash, there is the obvious issues with ezra miller himself and the whole superhero fatigue thing, I think people are just a bit done with the whole idea.
It’s because, and no offense to anyone who likes the movie, it looks bland. Especially when you directly compare it to all the competition that came out or will arrive within the past year. Puss in Boots, Spiderverse 2, Mario, Ninja Turtles, even the upcoming Migration all not only look more interesting visually than Elemental, but also proven to be more interesting stories than Elemental so far too.
Elemental just seems to be another Zootopia or Inside Out. Why watch that when you have the originals?
Although I’m generally a fairly hardcore superhero movie fan and see them all, i thought I was stuck in the superhero fatigue because very few things have really hit for me the last few years. But then you get Across the Spider-Verse and realize the problem isn’t the genre, the problem is that most of the stuff has just not been very good lately. Passable, sure, but not good, and extremely rare lately to feel like I’m watching anything special.
Can’t speak much for Elemental other than from the little bit of marketing I have seen it didn’t feel like anything particularly new, just a skin on previous Pixar sorts of stories. I saw Flash this weekend because I’m a big fan, and overall it was about what I expected. I don’t trust any hype around DC these days, so I figured I’d get a decent popcorn flick with some solid fan service for old-heads like myself that love Keaton’s Batman. And that’s pretty much what it was.
If you saw the trailer and have a few brain cells that knock into each other, you probably had the movie pegged going in. If you’ve already read or watched previous incarnations of Flashpoint, you pretty much know the story. The things that would be novel/interesting about this movie re: multiverse and using characters from other continuities and such feel entirely derivative coming in after No Way Home, Everything Everywhere All At Once (which is a superhero movie, fight me) and really, really suffers coming out a week after Across the Spider-Verse which has some similar story beats, but just does it waaaaayyyyyy better. I’ve already re-watched AtSV, and it is just jam-packed with what I can only describe as “good-taste.” ItSV was groundbreaking for a lot of reasons, and to your point, it looks anything but bland. Even with that as the measure going in, I didn’t expect AtSV to still be so visually it’s own movie and still groundbreaking in it’s own right.
When you add in the meta for this movie and knowing that it’s unlikely to go anywhere relevant to the new DCEU or even casual fans just hearing about all of the Ezra bullshit (plus tbh I really, really don’t think he’s appealing as Barry or in general for this role) I think they were lucky to end up at 55mil. Really, the marketing team for this movie deserves a raise based on that alone as they managed to get most of the stink off of this and make it feel like an event movie.
Yeah I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there. Along with seeming like zootopia and inside out, I also don’t think it’s really obvious what the film is about. I’m fine with films being vague but they also need to be intriguing. I just think it’s a shame as I’m a massive fan of animation so I want it all to do well. I definitely need to find time to go see across the spider verse, the first one was amazing.
Yeah. It looks like a character driven cartoon going up against summer action tent poles. It probably should have come out in April or November or sormething.
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I still cannot tell really what elemental is about. Watching the trailers and hearing the synopsis, it just sounds really bland and directionless. Anyone here watched it yet? Thoughts?
It seems like the old “opposites attract” story, but where fire falls in love with water. But each element is an over-the-top stereotype of what we think about them, fire-y hot headed and aggressive, vs cool and flowy water.
IDK feels just like inside out to me, where emotions are over-the-top stereotypes of what we think of them
🌈How not to advertise a movie 🌈
I haven’t seen it yet, but I’m really interested in seeing it. From what I’ve heard, the writer/ director Peter Sohn, said that his grandma’s dying words to him were, “marry Korean”. He then falls in love with a non-Korean girl and struggles with how he can still honor his grandma. This becomes the inspiration for the movie. It seems like this is Pixar’s take on trying to address immigration and interracial relationships. Again, I haven’t seen it yet, so I’m not sure how successful they were, but I find the director himself interesting so I will give the movie a shot.
I’m curious too. Waiting for someone to chime in! 🤓
Immediately following Guardians 3 and Across the Spider-Verse was probably a bad idea. Both highly lauded franchises that don’t carry the baggage of the DCEU. If you could only afford to see 2 in a 2 month period, which would you choose?
I just went to see Spiderverse a second time
Same, it’s even better the second time.
Honestly, I might go back for a third. its that good
So, basically Hollywood needs to make good movies to make money?
Who knew? 😉
Hpllywood: That’s a genius idea. Why didn’t I think of that?
pretty sure Elemental, even if it’s a good movie, will go down as a bad swing and a miss for Pixar at this point
Yeah, not sure if writing fail or marketing fail at this point.
Why would anyone get excited for DC films right now knowing the whole DCEU is being rebooted? Sure the cameos seem fun, but the movie is a dead end, so what’s the point?
But I wanted to see Flashpoint … again. For the 3rd time.
Yeah man, ezra miller dressed like el chapulin colorado really does it for me (🤢)
Really hope the performance of the flash doesn’t cause more cancellations and cuts at… whatever their company is now …Max+? Wb max?
I feel like the executives will fail to realize a major reason people arent going is because its lead actor is a fucking predator.
@alyaza With the flash there are the problems with Ezra Miller and this is the last movie before the big reboot.
@alyaza With the flash there are the problems with Ezra Miller and this is the last movie before the big reboot.
Isn’t there 2 more before the reboot? Aquaman 2 and Blue Beetle. Don’t know why they even bothered and didn’t just batgirl both those movies to get it over with.
