I’m not being weird here. I’m simply pointing out that the nazi problem in Europe is homegrown. Russia was perfectly happy to work with European libs, but they chose to make an enemy of Russia instead. Don’t act surprised that Russia sees Europe as an enemy and working to destabilize it now.
Just because the libs are your enemy doesn’t mean you need to support the far right. Putin is an authoritarian and extremely socially conservative. I think the Ukraine war was a complete waste of life for both sides of the conflict. I’m not happy that Russia is winning though. I’m just a normal citizen getting squeezed by various authoritarian forces rn whether they be Russian or American. I never voted for any of these freaks and I’m not a fan of any of them. Idk what you believe in or where you live but getting your civil liberties shat on whether it’s by NATO forcing us into shitty wars that screwed our economy or having Putin funding a bunch of racist transphobes who want to in the hope that they’ll be his useful idiots fucking sucks. I’m not arguing about whether the Nazis in Austria are home grown obviously they are it’s fucking Austria.
I am just telling you that they work with the Russians. Whether you want to believe that is up to you but it’s true. As a normal citizen this shit fucking sucks just like it sucks for people in Russia it sucks for people in Ukraine. I wish we weren’t run by power hungry freaks but that’s the world we live in.
You are right all of this shit was avoidable. I still don’t feel like getting punished for this shit.
Just because the libs are your enemy doesn’t mean you need to support the far right.
Genuinely getting sick of western chauvinist libs pretending you must support right wing authoritarianism based entirely on having analysis detached from western chauvinism. It’s fucking baby brain.
Actually now I’m thinking I read that entirely wrong. I thought you were directing that criticism towards yog, not Putin. Blame it on having just got up. Sorry about saying you did a baby brain.
The rational position for Russia is to work with European parties that will work with them. It’s that simple. Russia hasn’t been imposing any ideology in Europe, but they will obviously support political parties that aren’t openly hostile to them. Why wouldn’t they do that exactly?
Austria is neutral we aren’t taking part in the war in Ukraine….We even fined the United States when they entered our country carrying weapons that were destined for Ukraine.
Putin is an authoritarian, this shouldn’t be a controversial take no matter how you feel about NATO, but you’re right he does fund the section of the bourgeoisie that serve his material interests in Austria that happens to be the right and far right. I think that fucking sucks.
Why should I support far right racist parties who are the literal descendents of the SS? If you’re working with and funding a party you are obviously trying to impose some kind of ideology if he hated Nazis so much he wouldn’t be hanging out with them. He’s a cynical political actor clinging to his power and wealth.
I’ll reiterate this once again could the war in Ukraine have been stopped YES do I support foreign governments meddling in other peoples politics NO. This goes for both the United States and Russia. Both parties are guilty of doing this and they’re both as shitty as each other. My sympathy goes to the normal people who are wrapped up in bourgeoisie power struggles getting sent to their deaths or having their testicles blown up by landmines so that a bunch of assholes in comfy offices can go to their holiday mansions by the Black Sea or Hawaii
Putin is an authoritarian, this shouldn’t be a controversial take no matter how you feel about NATO, but you’re right he does fund the section of the bourgeoisie that serve his material interests in Austria that happens to be the right and far right. I think that fucking sucks.
Authoritarianism is a completely meaningless term. Every government has authority by virtue of having a monopoly on legalized violence. That said though, Putin enjoys far higher public approval than any European government.
Why should I support far right racist parties who are the literal descendents of the SS?
Nobody suggested anything of the sort. What I pointed out was that mainstream parties are hostile towards Russia, as the link above clearly shows. Putin is a cynical actor, but so are European politicians. I don’t actually see much difference here.
I’ll reiterate this once again could the war in Ukraine have been stopped YES do I support foreign governments meddling in other peoples politics NO.
Europe has a long history of meddling in foreign governments. Georgia is a great recent example where European politicians travelled and protested the election results. The reality is that Europe is run by capitalists just like US and Russia are, and it seems that politics in Europe are shifting further to the right than in Russia at the moment.
I‘m also aware that humanitarian aid sounds sketchy, hell it might be but officially Austria is providing no material support to the armed forces of Ukraine, just fyi I also think we should give a place to Russian deserters as well which some libs here probably wouldn’t want to do.
Did I say Europe isn’t run by capitalists? I’ll say it again I think all these people suck and need to go away. I was against the war from the get go and over a million people dying for these shitty people sucks. Idk why you are trying to deflect from the fact that Russia also supports shitty Nazis (guess what when a country is run by the bourgeois far right ideologies flourish)
I think Russia is still more right wing than Europe we still have politicians here who don’t believe in trad wives and hating the gays, even if they are liberal I do prefer that to Putins blend of social conservatism/the church/ capitalism,and why do you expect me to be happy that Europe is moving in the same direction?
Anyways I feel like we disagree on somethings and that’s fine, just don’t pretend Putin is some kind of based Bolshevik he’s far from it.
Austria has taken in more than 90,000 displaced Ukrainians and provided over 124 million euros in humanitarian aid to Ukraine. Austria also signed a framework agreement worth 600 million euros for the construction of three hospitals in Ukraine.
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1359486/amp
She’s a Nazi or at least worked with far right governments here. Sorry it is what’s happening
Europe has always been full of nazis, that’s not the fault of Russia. In fact, if you want somebody to blame for this then look no further than the US https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/
Yes I know I live here. The guy who defended her in the article I sent you.
Don’t be as weird as the liberals who defend the Ukrainian guys with sonnenrad tattoos.
I’m not being weird here. I’m simply pointing out that the nazi problem in Europe is homegrown. Russia was perfectly happy to work with European libs, but they chose to make an enemy of Russia instead. Don’t act surprised that Russia sees Europe as an enemy and working to destabilize it now.
Just because the libs are your enemy doesn’t mean you need to support the far right. Putin is an authoritarian and extremely socially conservative. I think the Ukraine war was a complete waste of life for both sides of the conflict. I’m not happy that Russia is winning though. I’m just a normal citizen getting squeezed by various authoritarian forces rn whether they be Russian or American. I never voted for any of these freaks and I’m not a fan of any of them. Idk what you believe in or where you live but getting your civil liberties shat on whether it’s by NATO forcing us into shitty wars that screwed our economy or having Putin funding a bunch of racist transphobes who want to in the hope that they’ll be his useful idiots fucking sucks. I’m not arguing about whether the Nazis in Austria are home grown obviously they are it’s fucking Austria. I am just telling you that they work with the Russians. Whether you want to believe that is up to you but it’s true. As a normal citizen this shit fucking sucks just like it sucks for people in Russia it sucks for people in Ukraine. I wish we weren’t run by power hungry freaks but that’s the world we live in.
You are right all of this shit was avoidable. I still don’t feel like getting punished for this shit.
Genuinely getting sick of western chauvinist libs pretending you must support right wing authoritarianism based entirely on having analysis detached from western chauvinism. It’s fucking baby brain.
I mean if you’re in bed with the FPÖ you support the far right.
Actually now I’m thinking I read that entirely wrong. I thought you were directing that criticism towards yog, not Putin. Blame it on having just got up. Sorry about saying you did a baby brain.
I mean unless yog is putin then no I wasn’t attacking them personally.
The internet is a crappy medium for communication, but I’m a broke shut in.
The rational position for Russia is to work with European parties that will work with them. It’s that simple. Russia hasn’t been imposing any ideology in Europe, but they will obviously support political parties that aren’t openly hostile to them. Why wouldn’t they do that exactly?
Austria is neutral we aren’t taking part in the war in Ukraine….We even fined the United States when they entered our country carrying weapons that were destined for Ukraine.
Putin is an authoritarian, this shouldn’t be a controversial take no matter how you feel about NATO, but you’re right he does fund the section of the bourgeoisie that serve his material interests in Austria that happens to be the right and far right. I think that fucking sucks.
Why should I support far right racist parties who are the literal descendents of the SS? If you’re working with and funding a party you are obviously trying to impose some kind of ideology if he hated Nazis so much he wouldn’t be hanging out with them. He’s a cynical political actor clinging to his power and wealth.
I’ll reiterate this once again could the war in Ukraine have been stopped YES do I support foreign governments meddling in other peoples politics NO. This goes for both the United States and Russia. Both parties are guilty of doing this and they’re both as shitty as each other. My sympathy goes to the normal people who are wrapped up in bourgeoisie power struggles getting sent to their deaths or having their testicles blown up by landmines so that a bunch of assholes in comfy offices can go to their holiday mansions by the Black Sea or Hawaii
That’s not actually true is it though https://www.bmeia.gv.at/en/austrian-embassy-to-lithuania/news/detail/austria-stands-with-ukraine-as-long-as-it-takes
Authoritarianism is a completely meaningless term. Every government has authority by virtue of having a monopoly on legalized violence. That said though, Putin enjoys far higher public approval than any European government.
Nobody suggested anything of the sort. What I pointed out was that mainstream parties are hostile towards Russia, as the link above clearly shows. Putin is a cynical actor, but so are European politicians. I don’t actually see much difference here.
Europe has a long history of meddling in foreign governments. Georgia is a great recent example where European politicians travelled and protested the election results. The reality is that Europe is run by capitalists just like US and Russia are, and it seems that politics in Europe are shifting further to the right than in Russia at the moment.
I‘m also aware that humanitarian aid sounds sketchy, hell it might be but officially Austria is providing no material support to the armed forces of Ukraine, just fyi I also think we should give a place to Russian deserters as well which some libs here probably wouldn’t want to do.
Did I say Europe isn’t run by capitalists? I’ll say it again I think all these people suck and need to go away. I was against the war from the get go and over a million people dying for these shitty people sucks. Idk why you are trying to deflect from the fact that Russia also supports shitty Nazis (guess what when a country is run by the bourgeois far right ideologies flourish)
I think Russia is still more right wing than Europe we still have politicians here who don’t believe in trad wives and hating the gays, even if they are liberal I do prefer that to Putins blend of social conservatism/the church/ capitalism,and why do you expect me to be happy that Europe is moving in the same direction?
Anyways I feel like we disagree on somethings and that’s fine, just don’t pretend Putin is some kind of based Bolshevik he’s far from it.
Austria has taken in more than 90,000 displaced Ukrainians and provided over 124 million euros in humanitarian aid to Ukraine. Austria also signed a framework agreement worth 600 million euros for the construction of three hospitals in Ukraine.
Yes we are clearly supporting the war machine.
This has been going on long before 2014