Nah. We had to listen to “gEnOcIDe jOe!!!1!” for the better part of a goddamn year from these people. I’ve got a LOT more “we fucking told you so” to get out of my system before I’m ready to move on let alone begin to forgive. The threat that is now reality was fully apparent, and these single-issue people still decided to hold the country hostage to “teach the dems a lesson”. Fuck them. They’ve also shown they can’t be counted on, so I’m in no hurry to make amends.
You are nuts. The election was in November and you are still shouting at a little minority of potential allies who you can’t even be sure have voted for Trump. Like someone else said: It’s like you’re hoping for things to get worse just to be able to say “I told you so” over and over again.
I’m not saying they voted for Trump, but they were certainly sowing division against the only candidate likely to defeat him at the polls.
“Not Trump” was NOT a choice on the ballot, and the single, actual candidate with the most votes wins. Any vote not FOR Harris was a tacit vote for Trump. No third party was going to win, and abstaining is effectively saying “BoTh SiDeZ aRE tHe SAmE!”.
They had a chance to help stop this and chose to do anything but. Again, fuck them.
Like someone else said: It’s like you’re hoping for things to get worse just to be able to say “I told you so” over and over again.
That person is an idiot (I say this not even reading their comment).
Were people saying Biden was too old also sowing division or were they just criticising?
Yes and no. The people who did nothing but repeat and amplify that? Sowing division (see GiveSomeFucks, Return2Ozma, etc)
The people who made valid points but weren’t beating that drum continuously? Legit criticism.
Either way, at the time, it was Biden or Trump, and the same two potential outcomes: Status quo or speedrun to fascism. There really shouldn’t have been a dilemma.
It doesn’t matter. We’re in this shit now. And have to somehow act together to get out of it again.
Good luck to them then. I’ll definitely be fighting, but I will absolutely not be working with the single-issue “oops, I accidentally helped bring fascism by completely failing to acknowledge the bigger picture” crowd - they’re on their own. We couldn’t count on them when it mattered, and I will not take that risk again.
As if you could tell who is part of that “single issue” crowd when fighting. You’re so caught up mad at a very very small minority who protest voted when you should be mad that we were even given such a shit choice in the first place. It’s time for action. Not for crying about people who would not have made a difference in the election. Joe had no chance of winning. Kamala maybe could have had one had she differentiated her campaign and wasn’t just Joe 2.0
we were even given such a shit choice in the first place
This is a very important point. The Dems crowned not one, but two weak candidates and refused to change in any way that might have appealed to the voters they lost. The worst part is that they knew Biden’s presidency was unpopular and might cost them at the polls but were steadfast in their refusal to change in any meaningful way.
Most Democratic voters were surprised by the loss solely because they don’t consume any media that doesn’t reinforce their personal biases.
Nah. We had to listen to “gEnOcIDe jOe!!!1!” for the better part of a goddamn year from these people. I’ve got a LOT more “we fucking told you so” to get out of my system before I’m ready to move on let alone begin to forgive. The threat that is now reality was fully apparent, and these single-issue people still decided to hold the country hostage to “teach the dems a lesson”. Fuck them. They’ve also shown they can’t be counted on, so I’m in no hurry to make amends.
You are nuts. The election was in November and you are still shouting at a little minority of potential allies who you can’t even be sure have voted for Trump. Like someone else said: It’s like you’re hoping for things to get worse just to be able to say “I told you so” over and over again.
I’m not saying they voted for Trump, but they were certainly sowing division against the only candidate likely to defeat him at the polls.
“Not Trump” was NOT a choice on the ballot, and the single, actual candidate with the most votes wins. Any vote not FOR Harris was a tacit vote for Trump. No third party was going to win, and abstaining is effectively saying “BoTh SiDeZ aRE tHe SAmE!”.
They had a chance to help stop this and chose to do anything but. Again, fuck them.
That person is an idiot (I say this not even reading their comment).
Were people saying Biden was too old also sowing division or were they just criticising?
It doesn’t matter. We’re in this shit now. And have to somehow act together to get out of it again.
Yes and no. The people who did nothing but repeat and amplify that? Sowing division (see GiveSomeFucks, Return2Ozma, etc)
The people who made valid points but weren’t beating that drum continuously? Legit criticism.
Either way, at the time, it was Biden or Trump, and the same two potential outcomes: Status quo or speedrun to fascism. There really shouldn’t have been a dilemma.
Good luck to them then. I’ll definitely be fighting, but I will absolutely not be working with the single-issue “oops, I accidentally helped bring fascism by completely failing to acknowledge the bigger picture” crowd - they’re on their own. We couldn’t count on them when it mattered, and I will not take that risk again.
As if you could tell who is part of that “single issue” crowd when fighting. You’re so caught up mad at a very very small minority who protest voted when you should be mad that we were even given such a shit choice in the first place. It’s time for action. Not for crying about people who would not have made a difference in the election. Joe had no chance of winning. Kamala maybe could have had one had she differentiated her campaign and wasn’t just Joe 2.0
This is a very important point. The Dems crowned not one, but two weak candidates and refused to change in any way that might have appealed to the voters they lost. The worst part is that they knew Biden’s presidency was unpopular and might cost them at the polls but were steadfast in their refusal to change in any meaningful way.
Most Democratic voters were surprised by the loss solely because they don’t consume any media that doesn’t reinforce their personal biases.