• sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz
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    10 hours ago

    Now tell me - keeping that state of mind and empathy - **what fucking difference does it make that Kamala “vocally supported an end to the war”?** Can you tell me right now - concretely and materialistically, no vague bullshit - how things were/would be better for Palestinians under the Dems? I’ve asked this question so many times and have never gotten an answer that wasn’t just vague abstract BS like “but Trump said”.

    This is the easiest lob you could give me. It’s because HISTORICALLY it has been easier to get organized and get Dems to change their minds than it will ever be under Trump. His son-in-law Jared Kushner has been openly talking about beach front property in Gaza over the last year and courting land development deals.

    If you think Kamala Harris would have gone on the news with Netenyahu and said she was going to use the AMERICAN MILITARY TO TAKE GAZA, you are actually out of your mind. Once again, I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S POSITION. I DO NOT THINK THEY ARE DOING RIGHT BY THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. But we were already seeing movement regarding limiting arms and funds to Israel, and Biden’s ceasefire. The public backlash was actually gaining momentum into the House. We were seeing congress people speaking out against Netenyahu and the Biden administration getting both internal and external pressure for a pause in arms.

    And then, boom, Trump elected.

    There is actually no hope for a free Palestine under Trump and a Republican House and Congress. They don’t care about optics, they don’t care about international relations, they will use all the military and money they have to make sure that Israel becomes the “holy land” they need for their Christofascist rapture.

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      5 hours ago

      If you think Kamala Harris would have gone on the news with Netenyahu and said she was going to use the AMERICAN MILITARY TO TAKE GAZA,

      That’s what they did. They went on the news shaking hands with Netanyahu and israel leveled gaza with the full support of usa

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      Ok, so your entire comment is: “maybe the Dems would change their minds”, did I get that right? I’m sorry to say, that not worth shit. And if you want to talk about history, here and here you go. America (Dems) have been supporting Israel that whole time.

      AMERICAN MILITARY TO TAKE GAZA, you are actually out of your mind

      If you’re Palestinian, what difference does it make if the guns shooting at you, and the boots stepping on your corpse, are carried by the Israeli military or the American military? The use of the American military is only worse for the Americans, for the Palestinians it’s more of the same.

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        9 hours ago

        No. I’m done. I’ve just realized that the Palestinian genocide to people like you is nothing but a thought experiment. I refuse to engage with someone who uses the actual plight of the Palestinians as a gotcha against Americans while not even participating in the political systems here.

        Focus on your own country, because unless you’re from South Africa, you probably have a non-zero number of politicians who support Israel as well. This is not a fucking spectator sport.

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          I refuse to engage with someone who uses the actual plight of the Palestinians as a gotcha against Americans

          You can’t be fucking serious right now.

          This entire thread exists because of asshats like you trying to gotcha other Americans who didn’t vote for Kamala. And it’s not the first one like that, just the first that caused me to blow my top.

          while not even participating in the political systems here.

          Focus on your own country, because unless you’re from South Africa, you probably have a non-zero number of politicians who support Israel as well. This is not a fucking spectator sport.

          As I said before, what happens in America affects me to, so I’m gonna keep doing it and you can fuck off. If you actually disagree and believe in what you are saying, then I expect never to hear comment on Israel, Ukraine, or Russia ever again, since you do not participate in those political systems.