• Sundial@lemm.ee
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    10 days ago

    No doubt he would be on a lot of topics. My comment was just mocking all those people that kept insisting people who cared about Palestine (primarily Arab-Americans) should vote for Harris simply because Trump is worse. It was such a hollow and shitty endorsement given all the escalations Israel has gotten away with the past 14 months.

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      9 days ago

      Voting is not an endorsement. We had the choice between a candidate that was bad for Palestine, and a candidate that was even worse for Palestine.

      It’s a pretty simple argument that someone who cares about Palestine should vote for the less bad candidate.

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        If there was a chance to save them don’t you think the Arabs in America would have taken it? It’s not like they’re any strangers to voting for the lesser of two evils on this topic. Democrats were insistent on letting Israel have a free reign just like Republicans would. So they decided to say a big fuck you to the electoral system and vote third party.

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          Kamala was not insistent that Israel have free reign like Trump was. Kamala said that she wanted a cease fire, and Trump wanted Israel to finish the job. In the context of these two candidates, they are clearly not the same.

          Voting third party is not a “fuck you” to anyone. No one who matters gives a shit about a third party vote.

          A third party vote is a waste of a vote and no different from abstaining. A third party vote is simply shrugging in the face a fascism. Trump loves it, because it opened the way to his election.

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            7 days ago

            Kamala said that she wanted a cease fire

            Yes, just like Biden. And we all saw what he actually wanted, didn’t we?

            Voting third party is not a “fuck you” to anyone. No one who matters gives a shit about a third party vote.

            Yes it is. It’s a big fuck you to the Democrats who campaigned on thinking people would vote for them automatically because they’re not Trump. That failed epically.

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              7 days ago

              So we might as well just let Trump win and kill the Palestinians faster. What a champion of Palestine you are.

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                6 days ago

                Tell me something. What in the past 14 months has led you to believe that Biden was holding Israel back?

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                  You are changing the subject instead of defending your position.

                  Biden has nothing to do with it. He wasn’t running for President.

                  Kamala’s position was to strive for a ceasefire, and Trump’s position was to give Israel whatever they need to get the job done.

                  By voting 3rd party, you’ve taken the position that these two options are identical in your eyes. Either Israel continues with likely similar reluctant support, or Israel continues with encouragement and unlimited support. Which do you think will lead to more Palestinian deaths?

                  On top of this, this was Kamala’s weakest policy, and she still clearly wins out. You are not only willing to throw the Palestinians under the bus, you’re willing to throw trans people, women, and immigrants under the bus too. All of this so you can be on your high horse and pretend to be morally superior while enabling the worst future for everyone. Good job.

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                    No I’m not. Harris is part of the Biden administration and she’s made it clear she wasn’t going to deviate from the current position that America currently has under Biden’s leadership. That means the same empty platitudes along with unwavering support for Israel no matter how many escalations Israel has. She didn’t strive for a ceasefire. That’s just meaningless rhetoric given she had no actual plan for it and coupled it with being insistent that “Israel has a right to defend itself” or Walz’s “I support Israel’s right to expand it’s borders” as they perform the wholesale slaughter of an entire ethnicity and culture.

                    On top of this, this was Kamala’s weakest policy, and she still clearly wins out. You are not only willing to throw the Palestinians under the bus, you’re willing to throw trans people, women, and immigrants under the bus too.

                    I acknowledged how bad Trump is in my above comment. I know what Trump means for a lot of minorities in America as well as the international political stage. I wasn’t talking about endorsing Trump. I said that the whole strategy of getting the Arab-American vote by saying “Trump is worse” was a very shitty strategy that backfired horribly. It’s common knowledge that a political candidate is not entitled by a vote simply by being the better of two options. You have to make people want to vote for you. As evidenced by the results of the elections. If she wanted the Arab-American vote, a key demographic in a critical swing state, she should have worked towards it. Not simply say “Well Trump is worse, so vote for me”, as she supports the slaughter of their people. It’s just an incredibly tone deaf and cruel thing to say to a population that is facing what they are facing.

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                    Kamala’s position was to strive for a ceasefire,

                    And it was an obvious lie, because she wouldn’t commit to an arms embargo or sanctions or any kind of consequences. She was just lying so that liberals could pretend like they weren’t voting for genocide.

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          7 days ago

          They were not equally pro genocide. Kamala said that she wanted a cease fire, and Trump wanted Israel to finish the job. These are not the same, one is clearly better.

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            She wanted a ceasefire, but keep sending them arms unconditionally.

            Regardless, lite genocide is still genocide.

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              7 days ago

              So might as well let the worst one win then? If there’s going to be a genocide, might as well be a good one? Gross.

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                6 days ago

                No matter who won, Palestinians are being genocide. There is no “worse one” here. Genocide is genocide.

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                  Right, so a genocide that kills 1 million Palestinians is the same as a genocide that kills 2 million Palestinians, for example?

                  Just because two things share a characteristic, doesn’t make them the same. One genocide can absolutely be worse than another. You are completely lacking nuance and reason.

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                    Tell the families who are dead and asked to vote FOR genocide that they lack nuance when they refuse to support either of the people who want their people genocide.

                    At what point does genocide cross the line for you?