Most of the male heroes are boring and poorly written. And yet people are more angry about the female heroes than the male ones. You can’t pretend it’s about quality at this point.
For real, they haven’t done anything interesting with Hulk in 15 years, the 2008/09 (I can’t quite remember) movie was average at best, after that it’s been a cameo fest because they cannot make new Hulk movies until they get the rights back, his best appearance was maybe in Thor Ragnarok, and yet nobody craps on Hulk.
Most comic fans do take the piss out of everything, I don’t even read that many comics and after seeing Captain America Civil War was disappointed AF, it was not only a water down version of the storyline, it was so different and the stakes were so low that made me ask myself why would they even call it Civil War to begin with.
Why I’m trying to say is that reading the comics will only make you hate more this adaptations, they rarely do justice to the characters and storyline, although that’s kinda OK since they are two different mediums.
I will respectfully disagree, I think Nolan’s Batman series was both a good comic book adaption and a great movie series that could stand on its own. Early Marvel has some really exciting storylines and characters too. My personal fav is Captain America and the Winter Soldier. I think the Marvel Netflix shows also had really strong writing and great male and female leads. I loved Daredevil, Punisher and Jessica Jones (and even Luce Cage to some extent thanks to Mike Colters portrayal). In my ideal scenario - I’d like to see epic writing that matches or surpasses this era to emerge. Whether this features an all female cast or all male, or a mix of everything in between is inconsequential to me.
Thor has never been consistent. His every appearance does whatever it can to throw away the set up of his last appearance. When he was serious with a few fish out of water moments, everyone called him boring. He was better received when he became more irreverent, but this undercut every serious moment and became grating (see Love and Thunder).
Note how Captain Marvel fills a similar space as Thor originally had, being a serious cosmic hero with a few lighthearted moments sprinkled in. Note how the Captain Marvel films are better than half the Thor films. Note how much angrier people are towards Captain Marvel than they EVER have been towards Thor.
You are trying to say that male characters are just as boring as female characters yet people are madder at the female superheroes right? Then you’ve used Thor as an example, specifically of the pathetic POS he was in Love and Thunder.
Thor was successful because of the sheer charisma of Chris Hemsworth and the novelty of seeing Thor on the big screen. While after his first appearance in the original Thor film, his own movies have been of questionable quality, he’s always been an entertaining addition to the crossover movies (I’m putting Ragnarok in there too).
Brie Larson does not have the same amount of charisma (with all due respect to the actress who’s done other great stuff) to make Captain Marvel work as the next flagship Avenger. Plus at this point, the novelty of superheroes is thing of the past. Expecting her to lead the next generation of Avengers with both B/C list superheroes along with uninteresting writing is Marvel/Disney doing a great disservice to the actress.
We could have had great Thor sequels and we could have a great Captain Marvel who led the next generation of Avengers. Now we have neither, in my humble opinion this is why people are madder at Captain Marvel (as misdirected as this hate may be).
What does Brie Larson’s charisma (which could be argued either way but I won’t) have to do with the writing quality? Considering everyone blames the writing quality for her reception, as seen above. And people being tired of superheroes didn’t apply to Shang Chi or Loki, which came out AFTER Captain Marvel.
Whenever someone gives me an reason for their opinion that is provably untrue, but they don’t change their opinion, it makes me question what the actual reason is. And when I look at the bad (or even just okay) movies and look at which ones the “fanbase” is angry about, I can’t help but notice it skews towards hating the ones with female leads.
Since you’re referring to me (I guess), I’ll answer: Captain Marvel is a deus ex machina. She’s just too powerful so they have to come up with bullshit reasons like she having to be helping some other planets to explain why she doesn’t come in, saves everything and the movie ends in 5 minutes.
It’s pretty much Superman with no kryptonite and that’s boring. She’s just not a good character in general, someone so powerful needs exceptionally good writing which is not something MCU has.
I don’t even know what Shang Chi is about, I just know it exists, but I simply don’t care, I got the superhero fatigue long before infinity war and basically watched infinity war and endgame just because I wanted to see how it ends.
And yeah, I watched Loki, because he was my favourite character in the original movies. So it hooked me early on. And given the popularity of the character and actor, I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one.
Your comment about “probably untrue” is that great combination of sad and horrible. So, I just “proved” my opinion is true, have you changed your mind yet?
I can’t help but notice it skews towards hating the ones with female leads.
Sure, sure, big bad misogyny. It doesn’t have anything in common with the fact that when MCU was new, all the interesting characters were men? And that every new movie is basically the same as the previous one, meaning they’re boring?
No, it doesn’t prove your opinion, because I am not talking about those movies. I am talking about recent movies with equal or worse writing that were better received. If it was about writing quality, Captain Marvel would have gotten apathy, not hatred. That proves it’s not about writing quality.
Shang Chi and Loki were both released after Captain Marvel and did not suffer due to superhero fatigue. So that shouldn’t be a factor in Captain Marvels reception either.
Captain Marvel was released so late into the MCU due to Ike Perlmutter being deeply misogynistic, so there is absolutely precedent for misogyny in the superhero space. Why are you so insistent there isn’t any?
Most of the male heroes are boring and poorly written. And yet people are more angry about the female heroes than the male ones. You can’t pretend it’s about quality at this point.
For real, they haven’t done anything interesting with Hulk in 15 years, the 2008/09 (I can’t quite remember) movie was average at best, after that it’s been a cameo fest because they cannot make new Hulk movies until they get the rights back, his best appearance was maybe in Thor Ragnarok, and yet nobody craps on Hulk.
Apart from Mark Ruffalo’s version of The Hulk, you’ll find that most comic fans do take the piss out of the previous Hulk movies.
Most comic fans do take the piss out of everything, I don’t even read that many comics and after seeing Captain America Civil War was disappointed AF, it was not only a water down version of the storyline, it was so different and the stakes were so low that made me ask myself why would they even call it Civil War to begin with.
Why I’m trying to say is that reading the comics will only make you hate more this adaptations, they rarely do justice to the characters and storyline, although that’s kinda OK since they are two different mediums.
Ah gotcha, yeah I’m with you 👍
I will respectfully disagree, I think Nolan’s Batman series was both a good comic book adaption and a great movie series that could stand on its own. Early Marvel has some really exciting storylines and characters too. My personal fav is Captain America and the Winter Soldier. I think the Marvel Netflix shows also had really strong writing and great male and female leads. I loved Daredevil, Punisher and Jessica Jones (and even Luce Cage to some extent thanks to Mike Colters portrayal). In my ideal scenario - I’d like to see epic writing that matches or surpasses this era to emerge. Whether this features an all female cast or all male, or a mix of everything in between is inconsequential to me.
What does that have to do with anything?
Thor has never been consistent. His every appearance does whatever it can to throw away the set up of his last appearance. When he was serious with a few fish out of water moments, everyone called him boring. He was better received when he became more irreverent, but this undercut every serious moment and became grating (see Love and Thunder).
Note how Captain Marvel fills a similar space as Thor originally had, being a serious cosmic hero with a few lighthearted moments sprinkled in. Note how the Captain Marvel films are better than half the Thor films. Note how much angrier people are towards Captain Marvel than they EVER have been towards Thor.
You are trying to say that male characters are just as boring as female characters yet people are madder at the female superheroes right? Then you’ve used Thor as an example, specifically of the pathetic POS he was in Love and Thunder.
Thor was successful because of the sheer charisma of Chris Hemsworth and the novelty of seeing Thor on the big screen. While after his first appearance in the original Thor film, his own movies have been of questionable quality, he’s always been an entertaining addition to the crossover movies (I’m putting Ragnarok in there too).
Brie Larson does not have the same amount of charisma (with all due respect to the actress who’s done other great stuff) to make Captain Marvel work as the next flagship Avenger. Plus at this point, the novelty of superheroes is thing of the past. Expecting her to lead the next generation of Avengers with both B/C list superheroes along with uninteresting writing is Marvel/Disney doing a great disservice to the actress.
We could have had great Thor sequels and we could have a great Captain Marvel who led the next generation of Avengers. Now we have neither, in my humble opinion this is why people are madder at Captain Marvel (as misdirected as this hate may be).
What does Brie Larson’s charisma (which could be argued either way but I won’t) have to do with the writing quality? Considering everyone blames the writing quality for her reception, as seen above. And people being tired of superheroes didn’t apply to Shang Chi or Loki, which came out AFTER Captain Marvel.
Whenever someone gives me an reason for their opinion that is provably untrue, but they don’t change their opinion, it makes me question what the actual reason is. And when I look at the bad (or even just okay) movies and look at which ones the “fanbase” is angry about, I can’t help but notice it skews towards hating the ones with female leads.
Since you’re referring to me (I guess), I’ll answer: Captain Marvel is a deus ex machina. She’s just too powerful so they have to come up with bullshit reasons like she having to be helping some other planets to explain why she doesn’t come in, saves everything and the movie ends in 5 minutes.
It’s pretty much Superman with no kryptonite and that’s boring. She’s just not a good character in general, someone so powerful needs exceptionally good writing which is not something MCU has.
I don’t even know what Shang Chi is about, I just know it exists, but I simply don’t care, I got the superhero fatigue long before infinity war and basically watched infinity war and endgame just because I wanted to see how it ends.
And yeah, I watched Loki, because he was my favourite character in the original movies. So it hooked me early on. And given the popularity of the character and actor, I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one.
Your comment about “probably untrue” is that great combination of sad and horrible. So, I just “proved” my opinion is true, have you changed your mind yet?
Sure, sure, big bad misogyny. It doesn’t have anything in common with the fact that when MCU was new, all the interesting characters were men? And that every new movie is basically the same as the previous one, meaning they’re boring?
No, it doesn’t prove your opinion, because I am not talking about those movies. I am talking about recent movies with equal or worse writing that were better received. If it was about writing quality, Captain Marvel would have gotten apathy, not hatred. That proves it’s not about writing quality.
Shang Chi and Loki were both released after Captain Marvel and did not suffer due to superhero fatigue. So that shouldn’t be a factor in Captain Marvels reception either.
Captain Marvel was released so late into the MCU due to Ike Perlmutter being deeply misogynistic, so there is absolutely precedent for misogyny in the superhero space. Why are you so insistent there isn’t any?
Ok never-mind I guess everyone is just a sexist misogynistic pig.
You’re on
RedditLemmy, of course everyone’s a misogynistic pig!