The co-founder of failed cryptocurrency exchange FTX pleaded not guilty to a seven count indictment charging him with wire fraud, securities fraud and money laundering.

An attorney for FTX co-founder Sam Bankman-Fried said in federal court Tuesday his client has to subsist on bread, water and peanut butter because the jail he’s in isn’t accommodating his vegan diet.

  • Guntrigger@feddit.ch
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    113
    arrow-down
    22
    ·
    1 year ago

    In these comments, People who:

    • think vegetarian is close enough to vegan.
    • don’t realise vegan items are no longer vegan if they’re for example, cooked in butter.
    • want prisoners to rot in jail from the inside out, literally.
    • I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      69
      arrow-down
      10
      ·
      1 year ago

      I don’t think prison should be punitive, but I REALLY don’t think jail should be punitive. You haven’t been proven guilty of anything when you’re in jail.

      All of the food served in prison/jail is dogshit and it’s not ok. Edible food is a human right. People with ethically based diet restrictions should be protected the same way that religiously based diet restrictions are.

      Belief in a make believe sky-daddy doesn’t make one persons ethical dietary choices more important than another’s. Maybe the Satanic Temple can step in and help out the incarcerated vegans. That seems up their alley.

      • nomadjoanne@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        22
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        Yes from everything I hear American prisons are all around horrible (by first world standards). This doesn’t seem surprising.

        You’re there to be punished by your freedom of movement being taken away. Not by being forced to eat inedible food.

      • AA5B@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        How about: at least in my town at police department holding cells, they make you pay and they go get takeout. There’s no legitimate reason to not offer a choice of takeout

    • NuPNuA@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      41
      arrow-down
      8
      ·
      1 year ago

      I have noticed for a supposedly progressive network, there are a lot of posts recently on news stories about prisoners supporting capital punishment and wishing prison violence on them. Very odd stuff.

      • Stern@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        26
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        I’m hesitant to say PINO but there is definitely a cadre of folks who want (for example) food and shelter for the homeless and for their enemies to starve to death in a ditch.

        • NuPNuA@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          25
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          Yeah, it’s amazing how fast some people can dehumanise their perceived enemies yet stil think they’re the good guys.

          • rhsJack@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            1 year ago

            This has been repeated in case studies around the world since then but the Nuremberg Trials were the first public use of “But of course the other officers at Auschwitz were terrible people but I am not a terrible person!” The psychology would be interesting if it weren’t so frikkin horrific. But I suspect SBF isn’t that so much as a complete and total narcissist and sociopath.

          • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            5
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            Some of these “enemies” dehumanise themselves very easily. Narcisistic sociopaths who actively and openly brag about manipulating “idiots”, saying they’re the best shit to ever grace the earth and downplay their crimes while laughing all the way to the bank to withdraw ill gotten gains? Yeah, real hard to believe they’d ever want to redeem themselves.

            Couple that with the general feeling that rich assholes always get lightly punished whenever they’re caught and it’s even easier to understand the bloodlust for “proper punishment” against them.

      • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        I think it has more to do with rich people getting away with murder because they are rich while homeless people getting the worst punishment for stealing a loaf of bread or sleeping on a bench.

        And the rest of society getting sick and tired of it, so I see their sentiment.

        I don’t believe in capital punishment though, let alone a death sentence.

      • Treczoks@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        14
        ·
        1 year ago

        When you consider “let X rot in jail” as “capital punishment”, count me in.

        • NuPNuA@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          16
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          I think it’s the “rot” that’s unbecoming to me there. Implicating you don’t think prisons should be hygienic and comfortable for prisoners.

    • Treczoks@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      32
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      Do you really expect a jail to cook things in butter? If they could get away with it, they would probably cook things in waste oil from the next garage.

      • Guntrigger@feddit.ch
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        True enough, but it was just an example. More likely something like mashed potato will have milk or other dairy. Even vegetarian nutriloaf might not qualify as vegan.

        Point is not everything that starts out vegan ends up vegan on the plate.

        • Treczoks@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          It isn’t? What do they put in there to make it non-vegan? The whole idea was to get rid of the expensive animal parts…

          • Lazylazycat@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            They usually contain buttermilk or whey (on top of vegetable fat of some kind). They won’t be vegan unless they specifically say they are.

    • clothes@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      23
      arrow-down
      15
      ·
      1 year ago

      Seriously, this comment section makes me want to leave Lemmy forever. Why would I build a community with these people?

      • CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        Unfortunately this isn’t just Lemmy, or even Reddit. People irl feel this way.

        Actually, to Lemmy’s credit, I’ve seen way more pushback to that mentality here than I’ve seen anywhere else.

      • FMT99@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        1 year ago

        It’s like Reddit all over again. Guess we shouldn’t have too high hopes for humanity.

        • clothes@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          7
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          I will say that it gives me hope that so many people are pushing back in threads like this. I’ve been trying a lot of platforms in recent months, and places like Tildes, HackerNews, and even Beehaw seem to be better able to have constructive conversations about heated topics. So we’re not alone!