I don’t blame them for responding petty. Steam has some of the most hostile and bigoted people out there. Something like this is a great way to push back against them while being funny and highlighting the absurdity of their request.
Which it so is, people don’t need a straight pride flag or straight pride label, they’re just trying to push back against LGBTQ acceptance.
There’s a couple actually. The most popular designs usually consist of just black and white horizontal stripes, usually with male and female symbols intertwined. There’s one that’s black and white, with a rainbow pyramid overlayed on top.
That last one is the Ally flag, though I don’t see why Allies should have a flag dedicated to them, if you want to fly a flag in support of us, just use the rainbow or progressive flag. Like why is a special ally flag needed?
The request is seen as absurd because for the most part straight/cis people do not need to affirm or have pride in their straightness, they aren’t oppressed or have limited recognition for it, the desire for “straight pride” is completely reactionary to the idea of LGBTQ+ pride, and the person on Steam who requested that feature is likely a bigot who is annoyed about LGBTQ+ pride, so the developer’s response is justified.
I mean, I think that saying “straight people don’t need to take pride in their straightness” is equal to “gay people don’t need to take pride in their gayness”. Which is the goal - for being gay, queer, trans to be universally accepted everywhere. For the value of gay pride to be equal to the value of pride in the straightness - which is when being LGBTQ+ is so normalized in society, that there is no need to take pride in it. You don’t really get that by alienating someone. Like, imagine the gay tag was at such a high price - the blowback would be huge.
Straight people do not need to take pride in being straight as they are not oppressed for being straight. They do not need to beg for recognition as a straight person or beg not to be abused for being straight, people are understood and assumed to be straight by default. Straight pride parades, straight pride badges, and straight pride labels are a reactionary counter movement to LGBTQ+ pride often arranged and practiced by people who are bigoted or intolerant towards LGBTQ+ people.
You saying that calling out people for setting up or attending straight pride events or wearing a straight pride label is somehow equivalent t criticizing or denying gay people pride is a bad faith comparison because the situations are not equal and like I’ve already said. Straight people are not oppressed for being straight.
You say that straight people aren’t bullied for being straight, and yet the straight tag is in quotation marks and costs 9999 instead of 75. Which is bullying compared to other tags.
I myself am bi. I would never “wear” a badge saying that. But I understand people that would want to. I also understand people who would want to wear a straight badge. And saying that the only reason to wear one is to be reactionary to gay pride and to “be a counter movement” feels like gatekeeping people away from their sexual identity. I don’t want “straight” to be “normal” and “gay” to be “abnormal”. Assumptions ruin this world and lead to stereotypes.
The original request was for inclusion, and you bloodthirsty foamers reject them out of hand because you’re petty. You’re sitting there putting people down and thinking you’re just so cool because everyone straight is obviously the kind of person who hurt you before.
Because by having a title for straight people it takes a step towards no longer making that the default. Similarly, if they’ve got Ace it would be nice to also have Allo. Maybe they do and it wasn’t mentioned in the article 🤷
Are you saying that the word “straight” implies default instead of a direction kinda like how feminism really implies “for women” instead of egalitarian?
I get where you’re coming from, but the reason I disagree is because you’re assuming these people are acting in good faith. Why do they need a title?
Queer folk have always used symbols to distinguish ourselves and find others. We’re ~10% of the population and it’s necessary. Straight people do not commonly do so, and 100% of the people who feel the need to wear it like a badge are actually signaling their refusal to let the rest of us exist.
I, for one, would feel perfectly comfortable in an MMO with 90% straight people. (This is just called existing in public.) I would leave immediately if 90% of people wore a “Straight” title for no discernable reason.
I’m not straight. This shit is exactly the kind of shit we complain about every day, and if it’s not fine for us, it’s not fine for them. You can’t just throw shit back the other way and tell yourself you fight for equality and inclusion. We don’t win that fight.
Hold on, is the straight person arguing for the gays, and the gay person arguing for the straights?? (I’m pansexual and I think we should all just get along)
So you put “straight people” wanting a Cosmetic item to mark them as straight on the same level of Nazis that killed millions of people. I respect the trolling.
Same. In fact were I playing webfishing knowing that this many people from all sides would be this upset about the title, I would 100% gun for it and enjoy the fireworks.
People’s reactions to things like this are hilariously overblown, both the anger that some straight person would dare to ask for representation and that some dev would gently troll them.
The original request was petty, so was the response.
I don’t blame them for responding petty. Steam has some of the most hostile and bigoted people out there. Something like this is a great way to push back against them while being funny and highlighting the absurdity of their request.
Which it so is, people don’t need a straight pride flag or straight pride label, they’re just trying to push back against LGBTQ acceptance.
Sadly they do have a straight pride flag… 🇺🇲
There’s a couple actually. The most popular designs usually consist of just black and white horizontal stripes, usually with male and female symbols intertwined. There’s one that’s black and white, with a rainbow pyramid overlayed on top.
That last one is the Ally flag, though I don’t see why Allies should have a flag dedicated to them, if you want to fly a flag in support of us, just use the rainbow or progressive flag. Like why is a special ally flag needed?
This was a jab at American christofascism
How is the request absurd? The straight title didn’t remove any other pride flag or titles didn’t it?
The request is seen as absurd because for the most part straight/cis people do not need to affirm or have pride in their straightness, they aren’t oppressed or have limited recognition for it, the desire for “straight pride” is completely reactionary to the idea of LGBTQ+ pride, and the person on Steam who requested that feature is likely a bigot who is annoyed about LGBTQ+ pride, so the developer’s response is justified.
I mean, I think that saying “straight people don’t need to take pride in their straightness” is equal to “gay people don’t need to take pride in their gayness”. Which is the goal - for being gay, queer, trans to be universally accepted everywhere. For the value of gay pride to be equal to the value of pride in the straightness - which is when being LGBTQ+ is so normalized in society, that there is no need to take pride in it. You don’t really get that by alienating someone. Like, imagine the gay tag was at such a high price - the blowback would be huge.
Straight people do not need to take pride in being straight as they are not oppressed for being straight. They do not need to beg for recognition as a straight person or beg not to be abused for being straight, people are understood and assumed to be straight by default. Straight pride parades, straight pride badges, and straight pride labels are a reactionary counter movement to LGBTQ+ pride often arranged and practiced by people who are bigoted or intolerant towards LGBTQ+ people.
You saying that calling out people for setting up or attending straight pride events or wearing a straight pride label is somehow equivalent t criticizing or denying gay people pride is a bad faith comparison because the situations are not equal and like I’ve already said. Straight people are not oppressed for being straight.
You say that straight people aren’t bullied for being straight, and yet the straight tag is in quotation marks and costs 9999 instead of 75. Which is bullying compared to other tags.
I myself am bi. I would never “wear” a badge saying that. But I understand people that would want to. I also understand people who would want to wear a straight badge. And saying that the only reason to wear one is to be reactionary to gay pride and to “be a counter movement” feels like gatekeeping people away from their sexual identity. I don’t want “straight” to be “normal” and “gay” to be “abnormal”. Assumptions ruin this world and lead to stereotypes.
Does the word “intersectionality” make you recoil physically?
No it doesn’t, what’s your point?
He is a right wing person posing as left LGBT to make bad publicly. In short, a troll.
You entirely ignore it in the post I replied to.
The original request was for inclusion, and you bloodthirsty foamers reject them out of hand because you’re petty. You’re sitting there putting people down and thinking you’re just so cool because everyone straight is obviously the kind of person who hurt you before.
I’m straight too so I’m having a hard time understanding. Why do you and that guy feel the need to make yourselves victims of an imagined atrocity?
Because by having a title for straight people it takes a step towards no longer making that the default. Similarly, if they’ve got Ace it would be nice to also have Allo. Maybe they do and it wasn’t mentioned in the article 🤷
So what’s wrong with “straight” ?
That’s the point, isn’t it? Nothing is wrong with any of it so why not treat everyone with equality?
Are you saying that the word “straight” implies default instead of a direction kinda like how feminism really implies “for women” instead of egalitarian?
I’m saying by not having the label in the game, the creators are assuming it is the default which should not be the case.
So they should include it and not be glib.
I get where you’re coming from, but the reason I disagree is because you’re assuming these people are acting in good faith. Why do they need a title?
Queer folk have always used symbols to distinguish ourselves and find others. We’re ~10% of the population and it’s necessary. Straight people do not commonly do so, and 100% of the people who feel the need to wear it like a badge are actually signaling their refusal to let the rest of us exist.
I, for one, would feel perfectly comfortable in an MMO with 90% straight people. (This is just called existing in public.) I would leave immediately if 90% of people wore a “Straight” title for no discernable reason.
So no matter whether it’s assumed or called “straight”, it’s bad to consider it a default?
Broski, it’s pretty much default.
I’m not straight. This shit is exactly the kind of shit we complain about every day, and if it’s not fine for us, it’s not fine for them. You can’t just throw shit back the other way and tell yourself you fight for equality and inclusion. We don’t win that fight.
Hold on, is the straight person arguing for the gays, and the gay person arguing for the straights?? (I’m pansexual and I think we should all just get along)
I’m bi and I’m arguing for inclusion, not any particular side.
Straight people dont actually exist and this farce has gone on long enough.
And? When your players want a cosmetic item just give it to them. Its not petty to want a cosmetic item.
Then I guess it’s not petty to give it to them, which they did.
By that rationale, the nazi arm bands should be coming in a future update. After all, it’s just a cosmetic item that players ask for.
So you put “straight people” wanting a Cosmetic item to mark them as straight on the same level of Nazis that killed millions of people. I respect the trolling.
Same. In fact were I playing webfishing knowing that this many people from all sides would be this upset about the title, I would 100% gun for it and enjoy the fireworks.
People’s reactions to things like this are hilariously overblown, both the anger that some straight person would dare to ask for representation and that some dev would gently troll them.
It might not be the same level, but it’s the same rationale.