• LaVacaMariposa@mander.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    7
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    4 months ago

    What are you talking about? Don’t you also draw a line when you choose to eat plants? I don’t think they would agree to that. Untill humans develop the ability to photosynthesize, we are going to have to eat other species, there’s no way around it.

    • DarthFrodo@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      Don’t you also draw a line when you choose to eat plants?

      I think there’s a reasonable distinction here. You would presumably also draw a line between a conscious human and a brain dead human that won’t ever be conscious again. As far as we can reasonably tell, consciousness requires a brain. Dogs and pigs have brains, so maybe we shouldn’t torture and kill them on factory farms. We can also see them suffering and measure their physical reaction to it.

      Of course there’s a possibility that plants have some kind of consciousness too, but 1. that’s speculation and 2. there’s no way around farming them, as you have said yourself:

      Untill humans develop the ability to photosynthesize, we are going to have to eat other species, there’s no way around it.

      Farming animals will always require far more plant deaths than growing plants for human consumption. These animals have to grow for months before being slaughtered and literally eat tons of animal feed in that time.

      Therefore, plant-based food minimizes both animal suffering and deaths as well as plant deaths.

      I’m not convinced that plant deaths are an ethical issue in of themselves, but farming has environmental implications so it makes sense to minimize the food that needs to be grown and make the farming as environmentally friendly as reasonably possible.

      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        the vast majority of plant matter fed to animals is waste product. they eat parts of plants that people can’t or won’t eat. so those plants are killed first for us, then the animals. and the point of the plant objection is not the amount of suffering, but the fact that no one cares if plants are killed, and only vegetarians and vegans care if animals are killed

        • Teppichbrand@feddit.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          4 months ago

          This is wrong. Nearly all (source) of the soy the Amazonas gets destroyed for is animal feed. We give about one third of the global grain we produce to animals, we could end global hunger if we’d give it to humans. Plus we could reforest vast regions, so we don’t die, as a species. Go vegan please.

          • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            there is no reason to believe deforested areas would not become further developed if agriculture becomes untenable

          • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            you’re wrong. soy is a great example: about 85% of the global crop is pressed for soybean oil. the byproduct would be industrial waste if it weren’t fed to livestock

            • DarthFrodo@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              4 months ago

              Soy cake can be used to produce textured vegetable protein (meat alternatives), tofu, tempeh, soy milk, protein powder, biofuels and bioplastics, for example.

              Calling that industrial waste is just a complete joke.

              The land could also be used to grow other crops for human consumption.

              • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                4 months ago

                The land could also be used to grow other crops for human consumption.

                to be clear, the land is already being used to grow crops for human consumption.

              • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                4 months ago

                Soy cake can be used to produce textured vegetable protein

                but most people don’t want to eat it. you enumerated many of the uses it has been put to, but the fact is that we produce far more soy cake than is used in those other industries, and feeding it to animals is a good use for it.

    • Teppichbrand@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      PLANTS HAVE FEELINGS TOO
      is #22 on the Vegan Bullshit Bingo:

      No, they do not. There is no serious study to suggest that they do. Plants do not have a brain or central nervous system. At most, they respond to stimuli. If you really care that much about the welfare of plants, you should go vegan, since many more plants “die” for animal feeding. Do you feel bad while mowing your lawn? And would you rather rescue a potted plant than a dog from a burning house? Is docking pig tails the same as branch trimming to you? Question upon question…

      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        4 months ago

        If you really care that much about the welfare of plants, you should go vegan, since many more plants “die” for animal feeding.

        the point is that they don’t care about the welfare of plants and you don’t either. tehy also eat animals. i think you can put it together.