Ten Chinese air force aircraft entered Taiwan’s air defence zone . . . Of those aircraft, the ministry said 10 had either crossed the median line of the Taiwan Strait, which previously served as an unofficial barrier between the two sides, or entered the southwestern part of Taiwan’s air defence identification zone, or ADIZ.
For those unfamiliar with the Air Defense Identification Zone:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone_(Taiwan)
Not only does it include a lot of water that isn’t part of the Strait, right off of China’s coast, it also includes a portion of Mainland China a few times larger than Taiwan itself.
People like to talk like China is flying jets over Taipei City, but you can fly a plane from one city in Mainland China to another, only passing over land, and be in this zone. Mind you, I don’t think Taiwan having this zone is bad – countries generally should be aware of air traffic nearby – but this is part of a long history of alarmist headlines by western media regarding what is often very uninteresting air traffic in the PRC.
Lmao Taiwan existing is bad
OK, but these articles arent alerting on that type of traffic, only when military aircraft are flying near Thailand, so whats the significance of the ADIZ extending into China in this context?
That’s exactly what type of traffic these articles are alerting. Which is why there’s no need to even pay attention to it.
Also Thailand has had Chinese military visit it’s country as well as trained with Chinese soldiers. If you know so little, why comment?
The quoted text in your reply says that the jets crossed a half way point over the sea. They were not over mainland China.
This feels like having a conversation with bing’s chat bot.
Ten Chinese air force aircraft entered Taiwan’s air defence zone . . . Of those aircraft, the ministry said 10 had either crossed the median line of the Taiwan Strait, which previously served as an unofficial barrier between the two sides, or entered the southwestern part of Taiwan’s air defence identification zone, or ADIZ.
This is what the original post quoted. Flying over international air space is NOT news worthy. Unless China does it, suddenly it’s news. And yes, in case you don’t understand, the median line IS international air space. In fact, that’s USA’s whole point of freedom of navigation is that anyone can fly or sail over that median line.
So if your argument that countries shouldn’t freely fly or sail over the Taiwan Strait, you agree with China, NOT Taiwan.
My argument is that you shouldn’t fly military aircraft so close to a country in their ADIZ after stating you don’t believe they’re a country and that you will take them over with violent means if necessary.
Ah classic, your all for rule of law until there’s an actor you don’t like following rule of law. Suddenly the law should change just for them. Hypocrite.
So Chinese bots are on lemmy too now. You obviously didn’t read the article - “Of those aircraft, the ministry said 10 had either crossed the median line of the Taiwan Strait, which previously served as an unofficial barrier between the two sides, or entered the southwestern part of Taiwan’s air defence identification zone, or ADIZ.”
In international relations, militaries have defined and at times unspoken rules of engagement. This was NOT routine flight over mainland China that you are making out to be, but was a clear breach of said protocols. Thus Taiwan sent its fighter jets to observe the Chinese military aircraft.
I literally quoted the part that you just also quoted, which specifies that some of the craft were merely in the ADIZ, the one thing I was talking about in my comment
I’m so tired of the notion that anyone not being in line with certain narratives is automatically considered a drone.
Like 6ish years ago we all, liberals and leftists together, were creeped out by the right’s sudden proliferation of “NPC” memes, correctly pointing out how dehumanizing it is and conjecturing darkly about what exactly this kind of rhetoric was priming these people for. Now, the overton window’s so fucked that the we’ve normalized deploying the exact same invective against anyone who speaks up on behalf of humanity and against a US-dominated world. I’ve driven past the ruins of the Japanese concentration camps out in the miserable desert, and to know that so many people around me who act self-righteous but stand for nothing would rebuild those camps at the snap of a finger, or the running of an op-ed, or a scary news story…well, these people may haughtily object to being called blue MAGA, but that sure doesn’t stop them from doing absolutely fucking everything they can to earn the label.
Waving the Japanese internment camps in our faces isn’t some sort of gotcha. We acknowledge their existence and try to do better.
Meanwhile your type denies that Uyghur camps exist, or claim that they’re some sort of benign summer camp
Do I deny aliens when I say there is no evidence for there existence?
So Chinese bots are on lemmy too now.
Amazing how comfortable you are being racist on a public forum.
Anyway, people should look at this map and take note of how far Taiwan’s ADIZ extends into Fujian province of mainland China and the open ocean (which is the southwest corner the PRC’s airplanes were supposedly encroaching on). These articles are obviously published to make China seem more aggressive than it really is. Meanwhile the US, with the most powerful navy in the world, parades its warships through the Taiwan strait, which for some reason is not seen as a threat or provocation. Also Taiwan claims the mainland as its own territory. Oh, poor little Taiwan. Lol, get off it.
Yes, the ADIZ includes part of China, but this article is mainly about jets crossing the median line of Taiwan Strait. Also I don’t think Taiwan gets mad over any jets intruding the “overclaimed” part of the ADIZ.
but this article is mainly about jets crossing the median line of Taiwan Strait
It says the jets did that OR were in the southwest zone. It is intentionally vague alarmism.
How is calling out a Chinese bot or Russian bot racist? You are obviously pro-China and you didn’t read the article. That makes you a Chinese bot.
You are obviously pro-China (…). That makes you a Chinese bot.
At long last, we’ve reached the molten core of psychotic liberal solipsism
Dudes making us wheel of time fans look fucking terrible smh
Anti Chinese government, pro Chinese people. Just don’t mention how many Chinese people actually support their government
“How am I being racist? I’m just assuming anyone who disagrees with me must be a certain ethnicity and/or bot.”
This really isn’t too complicated. Stop using Chinese as a pejorative and “bot” as a thought terminating cliche. It prevents any meaningful discussion, and yes, it’s also very racist.
Hush hexbear
Damn I wish my instance wasn’t federated with them.
The term isn’t being used as a pejorative. The term is being used as an adjective to a pro-chinese social media commentator. Mister Doi Doi with NO history in lemmy.
you’re suffering from some serious
brain poisoningThe term isn’t being used as a pejorative. The term is being used as an adjective to a pro-chinese social media commentator. Mister Doi Doi with NO history in lemmy.
Got’em. You should post hoghog out or
Mister Doi Doi with NO history in lemmy.
Their account is two years old and has two years of history. Idk if that doesn’t show up for you or something, but it is indeed there.
Chinese refers to the people who live there or who’s families emigrated from there, not randos online who don’t support the rabid NATO line. your racism is showing.
You are obviously pro-West so you are a Western bot.
I am anti-Winnie the pooh led mainland expansionist imperial China.
“Yeah, I am comparing the leader of China to a yellow bear, but it is totally not racist guys. I really care about the chinese people”
Didn’t take long for that one to come out, accused of being racist and immediately compares the leader of China to a yellow cartoon bear lmao. Incredible
What’s wrong with Winnie the Pooh anyways? Who doesn’t want to live the rest of their life eating honey and being a loving, caring member of their community?
I’m so flattered your first comment or post EVER in 3 years is to me. bye!
Is this supposed to be another example of you not being racist? Comparing the president of china to a yellow cartoon character?
Oh Winnie the Pooh is a common affectionate nickname for Xi on the internet. Do you not know that comrade?
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This is amazing o7
A racist bot at that…
If you want to not show yourself as a bot, you should at least be creative in your racism.
Was West Germany expansionist?
You’re expecting this person to know any of this history of China before 2000
One point for racist debate pervert!
You are obviously pro-China . . . That makes you a Chinese bot.
you, oh enlightened
one, could you perhaps explain to us what the word ‘bot’ means?Sir or Ma’am, I am a US citizen of Chinese descent and I assure you that you are being a cracker, and you can stop any time.
My bias is towards peace and against interfering in other countries’ internal affairs. Taiwan is part of China, this was settled in 1972. It’s only in recent years that the US has taken a hostile stance against the PRC since its peaceful economic rise has started to threaten US hegemony. This is not my fight, it’s not your fight, it is the fight of the US ruling class—its political establishment and its financial oligarchs. China and the US should be allies, and we should be putting our combined labor into decarbonization, healing the ecosphere, reparations for the global south, and preparing communities for the effects of climate change.
Also, my family immigrated from Hong Kong before it was released from British rule, so ~by your logic~ I should be against China, which I’m not, because I’m capable of critical thinking.
Oh, and one more thing:
You sound completely deranged.
Need a Sopranos comm.
“You sound demented!”
That’s precisely the sort of argument one would expect from a NAFO bot. Hope you earned enough FICO credit points to buy food tonight.
You both quoted the same exact piece of text. You said they didn’t read the article but you didn’t even bother to read their comment?
You are calling a human being a bot, literally dehumanizing them, because they don’t have the same hatred of China as you. You should really check yourself. You are full of hatred and ideological poison. It is clear from your comment that you have limited literacy skills and understanding, you should check out some other perspectives and try to broaden your horizons. Here is one. This is also another incredible resource with a lot of essays and information with a different perspective
Oh another no post history user! welcome to fediverse!
the user you just replied to made their account a year ago and has an extensive post history
And yet that dude is the one calling people bots
No no never engage their statement on it’s alleged merits. Kick them in the [redacted] and then ask them why they can’t walk while laughing. It is the weirding way.
We should give @RandAlThor@lemmy.ca benefit of the doubt. Sometimes when people view other’s profile from another instance, the post history shows up empty.
benefit of the doubt.
Yeah I think that is what’s happening. I’ve tried to explain it to them in a reply
…are you aware you can’t see people’s post histories if you click their username on lemmy.ca and you have to visit their home instance?
What would that have to do with anything? You should log off and touch grass, bigot.
Everyone who disagrees with me must be a bot.
I bet your response will contain one of more of the following: Winnie the Pooh, social credit, comrade, Uyghurs. Yet you call others bots, lmao.
Looks like you were correct on all of those predictions
Evergreen Goosplan meme.
Uyghurs are experiencing a genocide in China and you think it’s spamming to bring it up?
Did you hear that on Fox News?
I can’t believe people are still trying to peddle this conspiracy theory in year 2023.
Bro the amerikkkan navy sails it’s boats there. Silence, drone.
Uhhh, that’s obviously different, America is a
whitewestern country and so it owns the world
of fucking course lol, ugh
Least Sinophobic Canadian
So Chinese bots are on lemmy too now
Beep boop I have been programmed to make really fucking cool historical dramas beep boop (This is my stereotype about China idk what else happens there I just really like Three Kingdoms adaptations did y’all see 2008’s Red Cliff it was dope af! John Woo directing!)
MUST MAKE DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF TOM AND JERRY SHITPOSTSMUST POST MEMES OF AN AD FOR MIXUE ICE CITYMUST UPLOAD 12 GB FOLDER OF BIAOQING IMAGES
back to reddit with you
RandAlThor, more like AynRandAlThor
Lenin’s only mistake was giving Ayn Rand an education
Bruh lmao
lemmy.ml stands for mega-lib smdh
“or”
not “and”, “or”.
The southwestern quadrant of Taiwan’s ADIZ overlaps with China’s ADIZ. If anything, Taiwan is overclaiming their ADIZ.
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First day? Lemmygrad brigades every worldnews thread about China or Russia.
crying about brigades like some loser Redditor
Learn how federation works. Or better yet, go back to reddit.
When I am exposed to multiple people who disagree with me, that’s brigading
You seem upset
Do you have anything to contribute or are you just trolling?
Did you ever check out that thread on lemmygrad I made for you? You never said anything but you might have just forgotten.
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Seems reasonable
U mad?
Is this that stupid shit where their air defense zone covers a huge chunk of mainland China and they freak out every time China flies Chinese planes over China?
okay guys , so since this hole federation stuff your Pro Imperial Wrong Takes comes my way , it must be corrected …
this is Taiwans Air Identification Zone
it is a Bullshit leftover that spans so vast over china that it simply can not be not violated ,…
theirby producing the most wonderfull “Permanent - Saturaton - Propaganda” of China Bad Bakround noise for the Imperial core audience in their Echo Chambers .PS: this is where real Journalist go in the west , when they start beeing critical of non approved subjects.
“Good thing propaganda only ever happens to other people”
How can China violate its own airspace?
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Its time to roll out the tanks
490 now
394 from the perspective of Hexbear. The pre-emptive lemmy.world defederation with Hexbear effectively splits big threads like this into two sections. At the top is the much higher activity Hexbear posting, and at the bottom is the lower activity lemmy.world posting where instead of substantive discussion, people who are in support of China just get downvoted to oblivion.
Ironically, Hexbear’s total removal of downvotes on their end confers an advantage here. Discussions and dunkings involving a lot of Hexbear users tend to rise to the top of threads sorted by hot because the lack of downvotes promotes actual discussion upon disagreement. This results in higher activity levels than those produced by the passive downvoting behavior typical of more reddit-like instances.
can’t they still downvote us on their side?
Lemmy.world seems to be the only instance that would have been big enough to downvote us down the thread as viewed from other instances, but they defederated so we can’t see them and they can’t see us at all.
The rest that are federated don’t have the numbers to do this, especially when you consider a large chunk of them are lemmygrad users who are posting side by side with us. So overall our higher posting activity (that is partially a result of the lack of downvotes changing how we interact) results in Hexbear user heavy discussions rising to the top of threads even as viewed from other instances.
To see the whole structure, go over to lemmy.ml or lemmygrad, find this thread there, then scroll. Toward the bottom you’ll find a sort of underworld in this thread of lemmy.world users downvoting lemmygrad users into oblivion.
this is deeply funny. I wish they hadn’t defederated so we could ratio their downvotes through sheer posting volume.
I’m almost certain they can, I think they just lack the posting power of
I misunderstood the question
600 comments!
400+ comments
ha ha yes
I was hesitant about federation at first but this is great.
Been telling y’all the past couple weeks lol
Daily reminder that the Taiwan Province is an inalienable part of the People’s Republic of China:
And that this is recognized by the United Nations ever since 1971 after UNGAR 2758.
Source, page 546: https://web.archive.org/web/20230503050030/https://legal.un.org/unjuridicalyearbook/pdfs/english/volumes/2010.pdf
Video of the votes happening: https://invidious.projectsegfau.lt/watch?v=sfOIEjuXFyU
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This is an obviously misleading article title.
damn this thread is still rockin’ huh
It will be for a few more days thanks to active sorting on the all page of most instances. Poor people lol.
looks like shit
blame lemmy’s terrible Active algo. It’s a struggle session factory
All/Active brigade: presenting for duty in the protracted people’s posting war. 
local/hot thanks you for your service
Lemmy merely thought they could adopt the darkness, but we were born in it, molded by it
wdym it’s beautiful
Most of the shit in this comment section is perched on a pair of swollen pig balls.
Goddammit, I do NOT want us to be propping up a war in Ukraine and fighting an actual war with China.
I believe State is keen on Ukraine (and maybe both), but the Pentagon is against the war in Ukraine because they want to shore up efforts to contain China.
Kissinger and other realists are no doubt bashing their heads against desks because the masterstroke of the US foreign policy in the 60s and 70s was to support the Sino-Soviet split and ensure that China and Russia don’t ever find themselves with common goals.
I wonder if we’d drop Ukraine if WWIII was starting. On the one hand, it’s WWIII, on the other hand maybe Russia is still a likely enemy?
in what world would anyone side with the US over china and russia
I’d expect US vassals like Canada, Japan and the EU to side with the US.
You could argue about vassel-ness, but yes, the whole Western block would, and many poor nations that lean that way as well, like Vietnam or Palau.
Vietnam has some beefs with China, but I think it’s a bit more up in the air than that which way they’d turn since it’d be a real existential threat to them to militarily oppose China like that (plus they do have some productive deals with China).
Vietnam would shoot themselves in the foot by going against China. Either with China or attempting neutrality if possible. No country in the world that boarders China, Chinese allies and traded with them that much would do anything against them
True, and I have no special insight into Vietnamese politics. In this scenario the US is also right there, though, and is stronger than China assuming no MAD.
Vietnam and Palau should be read as examples only.
stronger than China
US not looking so hot after pissing money down the drain in forever wars for 2 decades.[laughs in hypersonic missile]
You can argue about anything, but these countries are absolutely US vassals.
The US is really only providing enough support to stall Russia and use up Ukrainian and Russian forces
The real question is the commitment of US allies that have already provided materiel support for Ukraine.
If it were WW3, the nukes would be flying and everyone in the northern hemisphere will be dead from famine in a year or two.
everyone in the northern hemisphere will be dead from famine in a year or two.
Don’t underestimate my will to grow and eat nothing but potatos. If I don’t die to bombs I’m making it through that shit.
The reduction in sun is an issue, but far worse are the -10 degree celsius temperature drops and the 50 percent less rain
But potatoes are life, so I could see it
That’s why you go for the potato. This fucker will grow under any conditions. I’m sure we could figure out a way to make up for some of the hours lost too, solar panels + battery + grow lights. Doesn’t need to run that much, just enough to make up the lost few hours. Maybe I should start investigating this now.
I don’t know where you are, but they’re guaranteed to not grow below freezing. You could use a greenhouse, but you better get building now because you’re going to need an acre or two per person.
An acre? I got 200 out of my 2x4 raised bed this year that I’ve been playing around with and like 170 last year. Why do you say two acres per person? Google tells me that you usually get 16-24 tonnes per acre.
Now, obviously yield will be down during this but I’m not expecting it to be that bad. Tents could be an option if temperatures do get bad it’s really not difficult to heat the tent we grow our palms in.
In all likelihood if the shit hits the fan I plan to organise a local group and we can commandeer the nearby golf course for land, while encouraging everyone to use what green space they have on top. Fuck allowing that land to go to waste in those conditions. This is all obviously assuming we don’t die in the nukes or radiation.
Yeah, “WWIII but no nukes yet” discussions are always a little bit iffy. Let’s try and keep a lid on things, guys.
It seems like the actual NATO doctrine is to try and dip back out of a full-scale war before things get radioactive, in the already bad scenario that it happens, and the conventional military is basically there to provide certainty that there’s no benefit to escalating that far in the first place.
I assume NATO would officially swoop in and bomb the everliving fuck out of Russia’s fleet and fortified positions before diverting their attention elsewhere. Basically giving Ukraine a much easier path forward.
Oh yeah, they could just clean up Russia directly if war was starting anyway. I think you’re right.
Nobody wants to have to defend free and sovereign nations such as Ukraine and Taiwan from agressive expansionist foreign powers like China and Russia. But here we are.
Fuck the CCP
