• ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
    22·
    5 months ago

    Installing arch is fun but endeavour is just so much faster and the end result is the same for me

    • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
      23·
      5 months ago

      Controversial take, endeavor is Arch. Just without the major hurdles. I installed Gentoo once. I learned a lot. Things like, I never want to do that again. It was cool and all. But I’m good with click, install, and get on with my life. I do however like rolling releases and not having to wait years to have less outdated versions. Though to some extent flat paks are slowly alleviating that.

      Also for some reason the image gives me serious Sam vibes.

      • T4V0@lemmy.world
        2·
        5 months ago

        Also for some reason the image gives me serious Sam vibes.

        That’s because it is!

        • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
          9·
          5 months ago

          Arch like/lite? Sure. But without the ability to use the Aur safely you’re missing nearly half or more of what Arch has to offer. I’ve waited a long time for a really good Linux distribution that had an easier usage curve than Gentoo while having a semi decent portage/ports system like the BSD do.

          It can still definitely work for a quick and easy Linux gaming system. If your priority is Steam and Nvidia Graphics drivers installed no fuss. Then again so can nobara or the steamos variants.

          I’m not going to lie or hate though. I absolutely ran manjaro first before moving on to proper Arch. It was just easy and painless until it got to things like ports and the Aur.

          • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            5 months ago

            Considering that the AUR is a repo of build packages that are managed by users, it’s mostly unsafe because of that- not being in manjaro (which also uses pacman, and as far as I know just a different flavor.)

            If you really want to use the AUR, you just have to turn it on. As with any package builds, it’s safe to use if you check the build and see what it does- and you need to be doing that in arch too. (Or not. Fun times.)

            • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              5 months ago

              You aren’t wrong about the aur. Similar could be said about flat packs snaps Etc however. We should always audit our systems regularly.

              That said, Manjaro is different enough that even enabling the Aur is a bad idea. I know from experience as I’ve done several reinstalls Etc. Because of Manjaro issues with the aur. They really shouldn’t even ship access to it. Because Manjaro does so many Breaking changes. It’s one of many bad decisions on the part of Manjaros maintainers. Ubuntu may be Debian and based. But it’s not Debian. Manjaro is the same.

              The rest of them basically are Arch just with a few tweaks, themes, base install, and installer.

    • PenisWenisGenius@lemmynsfw.com
      2·
      5 months ago

      I use void which is kind of like arch but it trades software availability for making it less likely to bork itself. I’m really pissed that I can’t have virtual box or monodevelop on here. There certain c# related things that can only be done with either monodevelop or Microsoft Visual Studio. Next time I do a distro reinstall I’m going with Debian.

    • cygnus@lemmy.ca
      1·
      5 months ago

      Same, I would just configure Arch to be like EOS anyway so I may as well make it easier on myself.

      • HouseWolf@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        5 months ago

        That was kinda my experience as well when I ran vanilla Arch for a bit, First day was just finding and installing stuff that already came on Endeavour.

        After I had an SSD issue had to switch to another drive I didn’t really see grabbing regular Arch again as worth the extra hassle.

  • BOMBS@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10·
    5 months ago

    I tried installing Arch once about 10 years ago. I couldn’t get it to work even though I admittedly didn’t try my hardest. I was in a PhD program at the time, so my mental resources and time were quite limited. Still, I had real experience as a sysadmin, so I wasn’t entirely computer illiterate. Every time I see a potential user switching to Linux asking for distro recommendations and others suggests Arch, I internally roll my eyes. Unless that user is a computer programmer or similar looking to prove their skills to themselves, that is a great way to get someone to never switch to Linux because they will more than likely become overwhelmed with the installation.

    If you are switching to Linux for the first time and don’t want to spend a frustrating week reading a wiki and troubleshooting lots of minute but consequential issues, don’t start with Arch! Linux Mint is by far the easiest for new users. Give it a run for a while until you feel like switching to more demanding distros.

    • lengau@midwest.social
      61·
      5 months ago

      I’ve installed Gentoo from a stage1 install. I’ve kept the same KDE Neon install running for over a decade, including moving the 3 SSDs that made up the install to another desktop.

      But I’ve never managed to successfully bootstrap an arch system.

      • flying_sheep@lemmy.ml
        52·
        5 months ago

        What was the problem? I can see that if you don’t get past one of the steps described in the wiki, then you’re blocked. But I think if one has some experience with shell, CLIs and TUIs, it should be possible to follow the steps until you have a bootable system.

        Is it worth it to try that, maybe through multiple attempts? Idk.

    • DriftinGrifter@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      1·
      5 months ago

      i swear every post ive seen by this account has frustrated me to no end teb years ago is a lot of time for things to change and installing arch took me 2 hrs without archinstall the first time times have changed im not recommending arch for beginners because no one rtfm but god damn thats an ignorant statement

    • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
      4·
      5 months ago

      It’s crazy that the people behind Serious Sam made The Talos Principle. A crazy action focused FPS to an intellectual puzzle game focused on exploring philosophy and what it means to be human.

        • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
          3·
          5 months ago

          Generally the same people. I’m sure some changed over time. It started as them making levels for the next Serious Sam, but they turned out to be really good puzzles mechanics and levels and the decided to make a puzzle game instead.