I believe capitalism is basically promoting narcissism at every level of society (especially among the rich). I can see this personally, western millenials are some of the most narcissistic people I have ever seen alongside ancaps, they can’t take L’s even though it’s absolutely warranted. It’s especially bad with parenting, when you rightfully tear someone to shreds for parenting mistakes they go fucking full Tumblr warrior and go ballistic on the critics even when most of them are shitting on them with good faith in mind.

Another example of this me, me, me, shit is entrep bullshit. It’s pretty clear entrepreneurship is just narcissism disguised as a way out of poverty.

  • Ivysaur@lemmygrad.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    19
    ·
    5 months ago

    go fucking full Tumblr warrior

    you post a lot of stuff like this I’ve noticed and I only come to chime in that it is really not a good look.

  • DankZedong @lemmygrad.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    15
    ·
    6 months ago

    Actual narcissism is a psychological condition that not that many people have. It can have biological causes or it is thought to be triggered by traumatic events especially in early life. It can have severely negative effects on the people with narcissism and their surroundings.

    I wouldn’t say capitalist society is feeling narcissism per se more than it is fueling extreme individualism, which is still different from narcissism.

  • sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    13
    ·
    6 months ago

    Okay, so first things first. WTFAY? And I don’t ask that to be confrontational, but to make you take a step back and think.

    You’re here ranting about narcissists but for some reason you feel entitled enough to

    tear someone to shreds for parenting mistakes

    Capitalism is the amalgamation of the belief that everything exists for your furtherance. Everything is a resource that should be exploited and it’s your calling to get there first and get the most.

    In a post-capitalist society, it’s our job to leave said kinds of archaic thinking in the past. What does the world look like when you don’t rape and pillage wantonly? What does the world look like when people only take what they need and celebrate everyone else having their needs met? And what does the world look like when we speak to people with compassion and empathy. Perhaps if you don’t

    tear someone to shreds

    They don’t

    go fucking full Tumblr warrior and go ballistic

    Post-capitalism is about understanding the cause and effect and taking responsibility for our actions. It’s not about trying to oppress others, whether it’s a condescension kink or something more innocent. You have to build the platform for the world to change and yes, that’s toppling regimes, eating the rich, etc. But on the ground level, it’s about being the platform for a better tomorrow.

  • orcrist@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    7
    ·
    5 months ago

    Clinical narcissism is rare, and if you know of anyone who has it, you won’t ask the questions you asked because it’s simply a different issue.

    So maybe you think that narcissism is equivalent to bring selfish, using a more casual definition of the term. If so, I think again you’re mistaken. There is some overlap, but they certainly aren’t equivalent.

  • amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    6
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    5 months ago

    If you mean narcissistic as in self-absorbed, I don’t see millennials being that way more than any other generation. Individualism appears to encourage an “I got mine” mentality where people are overly focused on carving out their little fortress of safety and happiness with little regard for how others are doing or how their hiding within their fortress contributes to the overall state of things. But that’s more of a thing of tapping out of society, whereas, as a pathology, narcissism thrives on attention and admiration. I would think people who are going out of their way to broadcast their life choices, they’re either doing it as a vlogging thing as desperate for money, or they specifically are wanting to know how society feels about things and where they land within it. Which doesn’t necessarily have to do with pathology. I mean, remember we are social beings. And wanting approval from your peers and reassurance that you aren’t an aberration is not narcissistic on its own; I’d say it’s very normal.

    In my experience with very few people who seemed distinctly pathological narcissism, it’s not just being bothered by criticism or wanting attention alone. I almost want to say it’s sort of like, if you imagine someone addicted to hard drugs, but instead they are addicted to attention and admiration. So everything in their life becomes about that, it impacts their relationships, the kind of choices they make, and they use people as sources of narcissistic supply, maneuvering them into positions where they can control them and extract from them like resources. It’s not just hurt feelings or defensiveness or posting selfies, it’s like a part of their identity and some of them become disturbingly effective at using people to feed their addiction. (Side note: Addiction may not be the best analogy, cause I’m not sure how much success attempts to heal narcissists has, but it’s the way I could think of atm to convey how deep a thing it is compared to someone who is a little egotistical or gets mad at criticism some of the time.)

    • amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      5 months ago

      Forgot to mention, people with NPD are in the same vicinity as psychopathy, with not feeling empathy or shame. That’s an important part of why it isn’t just another mental health disorder to treat, and why it’s such a serious designation, as compared to describing a person as a little vain. People who can’t feel empathy may still be able to intellectualize it, so it’s not to say they’re guaranteed to be ‘evil’ or something. And people who do feel empathy can still do horrific things. But it’s a pretty serious characteristic of the disorder.