I can’t wait to be one of the “I was part of the great Reddit migration” dudes when this lemmy stuff inevitably goes tits up in 15 years.
Jokes on us because in 15 years all the instances alive right now will probably be dead and there will be no proof beyond an archive lol
@remindme@mstdn.social 15 years
Hadn’t thought about how many people will come back to see their RemindMes on Reddit only to find deleted comments from people that left Reddit nuking their comments.
Did that bot rely on the API that got restricted?
I don’t remember if the bot would work at all, but I was referring to all the people that used one of those tools to delete their comments or mass edit them to something like “this message has been edited because fuck u/spez” or something like that.
T̷h̵a̵t̴’̵s̸ ̴w̴h̴y̶ ̸I̸’̵m̶ ̶c̷o̷n̵s̷i̶d̷e̷r̴i̶n̶g̷ ̸r̸e̷p̴l̵a̵c̸i̷n̵g̷ ̶a̴l̵l̸ ̷m̵y̷ ̸R̶e̵d̶d̴i̵t̵ ̴c̵o̴m̸m̴e̴n̶t̷s̸ ̷w̴i̵t̴h̵ ̸g̸l̷i̴t̵c̴h̶ ̴t̸e̷x̷t̵.̸
(I toned it down to be nice, but it can get pretty crazy: https://lingojam.com/GlitchTextGenerator)
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Didn’t RemindMe bot use a 3rd party service?
Wow, now that I think about it, it is quite scary. Hope that most instances stay alive
RemindMe! 15 years.
Oh, right, ☹️
@remindme@mstdn.social 5 minutes look what fedi can do
@can Here is your reminder!
Good too see you again, old buddy!
Make your own bot. With black jack and hookers.
Y’know what, screw the bot.
And that’s how to sex robot industry was created!
@remindme@mstdn.social 15 years
@CosmicSploogeDrizzle Ok, I will remind you on Monday Jul 12, 2038 at 2:35 PM PST.
lmao can’t remind me if my instance isn’t up
We’ll be fighting the water wars by 2038 anyway
laughs nervously in Canadian
15 years? This is all going to happen quickly. I give it 5.
That’s gonna be me. I am a bandwagon boy
While I agree with the worry concerning corporations joining, I don’t really mind “normal” people joining though.
That being said, this is an incorrect use of the meme. The text on the two bottom panels are supposed to stay the same.
Sorry if I’m being pedantic.
No don’t stop. This is the kind of nerd shit I’ve missed!
We sure have arrived at panel 2 indeed. If it works better for your mind consider it a completely new meme template that happens to have the same visual outline, because this meme communicates exactly what I want to communicate :)
This is the first time I’ve seen a Papers Please meme, and it makes me so happy.
I can hear this image
I’m gonna spam this everywhere. Thank you!
God dammit Jorji, get it right.
Can you not expand comment images in Jerboa? I can’t read that and I can’t figure out how to make it bigger.
I can’t expand on Jerboa either, but it says
Protocol Violation: improper meme format
Same!
The neat part is they really can’t fuck it up. You can always run your own instance and defederate from a corporation causing problems. Eventually we’ll be getting the feature to block entire instances too so you won’t have to rely on your admin making that choice either.
They can’t “fuck it up”, but they can shove it back into irrelevancy.
Yes? Have you ever tried shoving something back from being on the internet?
You should ask XMPP how relevant it feels. Or Digg. Twitter? Reddit?
I think all an individual entity can do to push a protocol into irrelevancy, is not using it…
Well that’s easy enough when you have the numbers and the content or you buy it and don’t support it, zucc is trying to do it to twitter right now with threads, reddit did it to digg, reddit did it to reddit, , lemmy is doing it to Reddit, Google did it to XMPP, Microsoft has killed numerous budding technogies by driving them into obscurity, how many examples do you need?
Is there a GitHub issue tracking that feature?
It’s decentralized though. That’s literally the reason I believe in the Fediverse
The Internet was built to be a decentralised network, too.
So companies fucked up the internet, and people had to make a new internet inside the internet. And when companies fuck that up too, we’ll make a new internet inside that one!
Easy. Ban every company.
Easy. ~~Ban~~ Defederate every company.
FTFY. It’s FOSS. We can’t stop them from spinning up their own instances (See: Threads) but that doesn’t mean we have to play nicely with them.
Edit: Fuck it, I can’t get the ~~strikethrough~~ to work.
I swear it was working at one point and hasn’t worked for me recently either Maybe I’m misremembering.
It’s just
~~this~~which gives methis(for me anyway) when I look at your comment’s source it’s showing\~\~this\~\~This.
spoiler
Ah, it’s like being back in Reddit.
Wait, threads is part of the federverse?? damn.
Not yet I think, but they plan to join.
It uses ActivityPub, but I don’t think it’s actually part of the fediverse yet. But it may be in the future.
Test
YUPYUP
We have more control this time though… When the companies come, we can block them.
That’s why we need to abolish private ownership, all corporations must be collectively owned by the community.
Communism intensifies
China has some pretty cool jets that don’t like totally explode for no reason.
Wait isn’t the fediverse explicitly about private ownership?
It’ll be a lot harder for them with federated software, and when the free instances are all solidly established
They can still infiltrate them by buying their way into the admin/s pokets since maintaining servers is expensive.
maintaining servers is a lot more affordable when your website isn’t bloated with tracking and unnecessary features. It’s not realistic for a corporation to buy up a significant chunk of the fediverse anyways
It honestly doesn’t seem that expensive based on others talking about their hosting costs. The bigger instance will be more expensive but they would also have a lot more people who can easily handle the cost without needing external funds. That said some instance will go that way not for the server cost but for simply money in their pocket at which point you can just switch to another instance.
It gets more expensive if you strart a successful meme community with lots of data. Some big Mastodon servers already store gigabytes per hour. Even with Cloudflare the expenses can soon get pretty high.
But yes, everything else with Lemmy is just a few euros a month.
I still don’t understand why they aren’t just utilizing imgur and that catbox hosting service exclusively. Plenty of image/gif hosting options.
The current default installation, especially if using Ansible, doesn’t use any commercial image hosting services. You need to go out of the golden path to do so.
Even using an S3-compatible host is not in the default path: the files are stored to the server file system. So, yeah, maybe this is the reason. And of course, giving your content to a commercial entity is something people in the fediverse doesn’t like that much. Wasn’t the idea to get rid of these entities that can just be bought by a billionaire asshole and suddenly killing your community.
Any estimate on costs? Round figures?
My lemm.ee instance costs around €150-200 per month which is a medium sized instance but it is extremely well maintained. But it’s certainly not 100s of millions of dollars, that’s for sure.
Someone made a thread specifically for that a while ago but don’t remember where or what the name was, sorry
Here’s hoping it stays sane and corpo free for a long time
Yeah anyone who thinks activityPub is immune to monetization is delusional.
How so, I’m curious. I’m new to this side of things.
Corporation owns reddit, owns twitter, owns meta, owns twitch and youtube.
Corporation cant own fediverse. Corporate interests could take over lemmy.world, or any other instance, but that doesnt give them the fediverse. They can block outside users from coming in, they can block inside users from going out, but they cant block outside users from eachother
It’s not that simple, take a look at this article: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
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I wonder if it is possible to add a feature to migrate your user account from one instance to another instance.
Put in some sanity checks, like minimum time on instance etc, optional application requirements.
Google was only able to do that because XMPP’s userbase was practically nonexistent by the time they pulled the plug. Google Talk had become such a hegemon that the overwhelming majority of XMPP interactions were between Google Talk users. Google had the option to keep tying themselves to a protocol that they don’t own to support access to a very small amount of users or develop their own system that they could do whatever they want with. Lemmy and Mastodon do not have that issue. Regardless of what Facebook does with Threads, Mastodon has millions of users and Lemmy reached over 300k. The majority of their users are unlikely to migrate their accounts over just to sell their souls to the Zucc. There is enough activity on Lemmy and Mastodon that many Threads users may make seperate accounts here should Threads eventually defederate, while the users of Lemmy and Mastodon simply go back to an existence without Facebook’s meddling. There’s not a situation where Threads can destroy Lemmy or Mastodon like there was with XMPP
Yeah, I’m a little confused by the doom-and-gloom regarding all this. Meta/etc. can only ruin the Fediverse if we let them. I really doubt most people currently on lemmy/kbin/mastodon are going to abandon the smaller instances in favor of a Big Corp instance, which IMHO is the big way they can ruin it (consolidate users from smaller instances and then pull the plug). I think there is even an opportunity here to really grow the Fediverse — smaller instances can (and should!) steal users from Big Corp instances.
Of course this may just be wishful thinking. With their track record, who knows what’s possible I guess. (For example, I fully expect non-meta users to be 2nd class citizens on a meta instance…)
Don’t be surprised if corporations bought out instances or whole development teams. Good thing new Inatances can be launched and the community can always fork the code and continue work.
Yeah I hate how my personal site on my personal servers is always in mark zuckerbergs hands. Wait what was the question?
@mino I already saw some adposts from coorperations here. But they werent pushed to me as no ones serves ads here.
I hope not. I remember a time in which you needed to know something in order to enjoy the Internet and I kinda hope this place remains less approachable by normies, but attractive to those who love technology. I feel this is like how IRC was in the 90s.
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I hate to say it, but the vibe has gotten a lot more Reddit-y over the last couple months. Lemmy used to be a lot more controversial, and not afraid to show it
I kind of like that tbh. I have identified as an anarchist/communist for over 25 years and even I thought the content at Lemmy was too much of a downer to be around too much.
The point is not the content per se, the point is nobody has any other incentive than to have a good time and share. Instead of the basic human desire to be social constantly being exploited for shiny fucking coins by robots and or psychopaths.
You pick the communities you like. Diversity is key.
I’m not sure if it’s brigading or if reddit was just better at hiding them, but I’m seeing a lot of alt-right, fuck-the-libs hate. Any of the current posts about the student loan forgiveness for example. So so many bad faith, tone-deaf arguments of “why should I pay for your loans” or “those lazy deadbeats just don’t want to pay”. It almost feels organzied.
Looking back on previous floods of alt-right hate… If it feels organized, it probably is.
Maybe because I haven’t been here long but I haven’t noticed any alt right stuff myself.
It’s because here downvotes don’t push you to the bottom of the stack, and that needs to change. At least on Reddit you could bury the trolls.
Nah, don’t hide the trash, let them be a public example and berate and shame them. Ban them if they get too rowdy. Society breeds civility through cowardice, stop being afraid to tell these people what you think, don’t be offended; offence is taken not given, be offensive, berate their stupidity and ignorance, insult their lack of cognizance and competence, flex your belligerence in the face of theirs, call them on their bullshit and be fucking relentless.
Be a dick to an asshole; save a pussy.
Bruh I’m just trying to scroll through interesting posts and interact with people worth having a discussion with. If you get off putting people in their place all day then feel free to sort by lowest score or whatever mechanism eventually appears.
If you want to change someone’s mind you aren’t going to do it by putting them on the spot and belittling them for it. That just backs a person into the corner and makes them double down. The whole “I’d rather be Russian than Democrat” is perfect example of this.
If you want to make them change their ways then just ignore their desperate pleas for attention. Kids don’t earn the right to sit at the grown up table by acting like kids, but eventually they mature and learn nuance and that earns them a seat.
I can’t help it if you want to contribute willingly to conversations you don’t want to be a part of, sounds fucking stupid to me,which we’ve already determined multiple times you are, and continue to prove by not being able to check your ego long enough to dissuade yourself from continuing to reply. I don’t mind if it takes you a long time to learn a lesson, no skin off my nose to educate a belligerent, I was born for this.
If you think using big words and calling people childish names is making a coherent argument then there’s really nothing to be done here…
I didn’t say I didn’t want to contribute willingly, I said I didn’t want to spend my time engaging trolls and unsavory individuals. I’d rather they fade into obscurity and get on about my day.
Go ahead and reread it if you need proof, it’s all up there.
