Flushing after closing the lid is actually hygienic.
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May I interest you in a (not toilet) paper I skimmed back when Covid was still a bigger issue? https://doi.org/10.1063/5.0013318
In another, newer, paper (again, not the toilet kind of paper) I just found, researchers basically used lasers to see and analyze the spread of aerosol plumes after flushing: https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-022-24686-5
I am not interested in your (not toilet) papers. I’ve been doing fine so far and I believe that the health benefit is negligible and does not outweigh the impact on my quality of life.
In other words sometimes ignorance is bliss and knowledge can be a curse, I’m not trying to be a neat freak germaphobe.
Ignorance won’t save you when that one lucky e coli lands on your toothbrush at just the right time. My parents survived leaded gas just fine, doesn’t mean that shit’s safe.
Seriously. Is this guy just like openly pro-poop? Cause it really sounds like he’s trying to spread some poopraganda.
I’ll see myself out.
Coproganda
Well, you might be doing fine so far. How about others who walk into your poop-plumes? Hygiene is not always only beneficial for yourself. Some easy to implement practises can go a long way. I think it’s a similar story to how we (should) regularly wash our hands, wash vegetables and fruits before eating and so on.
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PSA: For maximum hygiene, close the lid BEFORE you flush.
closes lid
Sits down
Shits on lid
Flushes
Dad, you’re drunk!
My name’s not dunk
Taking ‘Upper decker’ to the next level
But then how am I supposed to look at my poop swirling down the drain?
Mythbusters found it makes no difference in the spread of fecal matter. Toilet lids aren’t perfect seals.
Do you have a source? I googled it and this site said that Mythbusters found the opposite - https://www.theplumbingauthority.com/blog/2019/february/mythbusters-plumbing-edition/#:~:text=%234 You should close your toilet lid before flushing&text=Mythbusters did an episode about,your bathroom%2C including your toothbrush.
Not how it works, sorry to tell you. In fact, putting the lid down means you are keeping those particles airborne for another 11 minutes or so due to increased pressure with the lid down.
Do you have a source? I googled it and every site listed said you should close the lid. The only one that didn’t was the New York Post, which is a famously inaccurate and overly contrarian news source.
I always flush with the lid down. Keeps less in the air.
Hate to break it to you, toilets aren’t airtight. The particles go right out the side and tend to last longer in the air when the lid is down. It’s creates a reduction in visible particles as it seems the lid causes bigger particles to form so ergo less “visible particles” but they are just bigger and last longer for some reason versus the smaller ones. As has been demonstrated by the Mythbusters and many other studies, the biggest factor is having proper ventilation otherwise your gonna find shit particles everywhere regardless of if you close the lid or not.
That’s not making sense to me. Would you be willing to find your sources? Larger particles would not spend more time in the air as far as I know. It’s almost like you’re claiming it’s better to sneeze wild straight out everywhere instead of into your elbow, handkerchief, or tissue.
Why don’t these things have more of a seal by now? It’s supposed to be the future.
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Every source I can find says that closing the lid is better.
☹️ thanks for letting me know
Honestly don’t worry, as Mythbusters pointed out that neither are a health concern due to the low concentration relatively speaking and if anything it helps your immune system build up defenses against E coli and the like. Just know lid up during your flush means the sent lingers less. Then after the flush I would advise closing the lid to keep any lingering sent in the air of the toilet bowl and less likely to be disturbed by any airflow in the room. Just don’t like seeing misleading info spread around as honestly the science behind it is pretty interesting.
Just don’t like seeing misleading info spread around as honestly the science behind it is pretty interesting.
I don’t want to step on your toes, so hopefully this doesn’t come across that way:
You mentioned Myth Busters and an article from 2019 on microbiologyresearch.com in another comment .
Let’s just say without further elaboration, that Myth Busters are not a solid scientific source.
I couldn’t really find a paper from the article you linked in another comment. Just this: https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/acmi/10.1099/acmi.fis2019.po0192I don’t know whether it’s an issue with the website, but currently I can’t see much else besides some text which sounds like an abstract. This makes it currently difficult to see this as a good source or estimate the quality of the work. Judging on this abstract alone, although it mentions that the time particles are detectable is about 10 minutes longer with the lid down, it also reports a 30 to 50 % decreased amount of particles. It also states a lack of research regarding smaller particles.
As far as I can see we could safely say, that this issue, whether it’s better to keep the lid up or down, is still debated and a final verdict is still out:
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhin.2011.08.010
https://doi.org/10.1063/5.0040310
https://doi.org/10.1063/5.0013318
https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-022-24686-5
However, to me it seems that there are indications that a combination of proper ventilation and closing the lid might be better than an open lid.
Disclaimer: Not my field of expertise. Feel free to correct, where necessary.
Yeah, but now I’ve lost an argument with my wife… She remembered too…
Yes I always leave it closed if it has a tank
Plus if you drop anything in the bathroom and the lid is up it’s ending up in the toilet, learned that one morning when I was about to brush my teeth, that’s when I became a dedicated kid closer
dedicated kid closer
“Listen, I just know you’re going to love this play set; and what a deal you’re getting on it, too!”
Just automate it and get a Japanese Bidet that opens and closes automatically. Problem solved.
I have a solution to our hygiene problems, everyone: poop hoses. Dropping a spooky dookie into a bowl of water is outdated and gross. We can just attach a poop hose to our bee hinds and wham! Hygiene.
If you don’t shut the lid before you flush it sends poopoo peee particles flying around the bathroom onto your toothbrush
Mythbusters found it makes virtually no difference, and lid down can actually make particles go further due to the pressure forcing them through a smaller gap.
Myth Busters are not a solid scientific source. I discussed the issue a bit, linking to some papers in another comment here: https://feddit.de/comment/5298414
Although Mythbusters is not a peer reviewed scientific source, they do employ reasonable standards of experimentation.
And the first source you posted is particularly interesting, with similar conclusions to what I remember from Mythbusters; that lids reduce the total number of particles found, but that the particles produced from lid use last longer and are larger. So a lid closed situation can;t really be said to be more hygienic.
Unfortunately on a cursory skimming of the other articles none of them seem compare toilets with lid down to lid up, they all seem to look at lidless toilets only. Thus, they can;t really speak to the topic of lid use being more hygienic without the direct comparison.
This is terrible news
Everyone else dribbles all over the seat and doesn’t clean it so I leave it up.
Get one of those non-slamming lids and it’s too easy to knock if down while flushing. It’s half closed as you leave the room.
You also are allowed to flush when you put the toilet seat down, as is evidenced in the diagram.
Quit ya bitching and roll the math.
Some stand to pee. Some sit to pee. everyone sits to shit. In a mixed gender household the seat gets most use down.
Not at all what the meme is talking about
The meme is making it look like seat down is presumptuous, which it is not. It has the least effort vs hygiene trade-off, since sitting to pee is much more hygienic.
The point the meme is making is that the lid should be closed. It equally derides both seat up and seat down
I think you’re expecting some women to show up and argue with you like this is drive time FM radio with Wacky Bob the DJ but all you’re going to get is dudes trying to act like they won because they get mad at the word hygiene and piss on the seat when they leave just to spite you.
Yes, when they leave. They won’t put the lid down without a gun to their heads, but they’ll hold one last bit of tinkle just for you.
This joke needs a more appropriate venue, is what I’m saying . Nobody here actually cares about the subject.
