No you’re getting billed for this too
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…b-billionaires?
ta-da!
Worse they will get to sue everyone associated with the failed rescue.
lol taxes
Where I live if you fall and injure yourself on an established hiking/climbing route, in season, you will be rescued for free (regular ambulance rides are free anyway).
If you climb or hike off track, out of season you might be charged for a helicopter ride or mountain rescue. As you can imagine it’s not cheap.
regular ambulance rides are free anyway
what in tarnation
Non-americans are not shocked by this😇
That should be on case in all of Europe (in Germany and Italy for sure). It’s covered but your insurance as long as there is an emergency. So you can’t just use the ambulance as a taxi, then you would be billed the whole amount.
I was only once in an ambulance in the past 30 years or so. There, my insurance came to me afterwards and billed me a 10€ share. For some reason I found this infuriating. (Germany)
Similar kind of stuff happens all the time, where public institutions bear the cost and consequences of private enterprises. Good example of a not too dissimilar situation was Memorial Hospital during Katrina, where instead of sending private helicopters and rescue, the firm that owned the hospital opted to wait for “free” US government rescue.
Privatize the profits, but socialize the losses.
The coast guard has never charged for search and rescue. This was not an ambulance ride.
There is a coast guard where the titanic sank but not where the immigrant ship sank near greece?
Why would the US coast guard be near Greece?
Greek and turkish coast coard obviously.
You don’t pay for ambulances in Greece and Turkey.
I don’t know many details on the loss there so I do not know if they were able to be saved or if they would have been assumed dead before the coast guard could have responded. Maybe the coast guard there just doesn’t care?
Can’t really compare either of these situation because they differ too much. Ask the Greek coast guard why they didn’t make an effort.
There’s a Sea Shepherd ship captain, Pia Klemp, facing twenty years in an Italian prison because she rescued drowning migrants. Because, in government terms, by bringing them to safety on land she smuggled aliens into Italy.
And she’s just one of the most well known cases in the West. A fisherman in Greece got 280 years in prison for piloting a single ship of migrants to shore after the actual smugglers fled the ship.
Saying the governments of Italy, Greece, Turkey, etc, don’t care about migrant lives understates the situation. They want migrants to die at sea, and they punish people who bring them to land.
Your logic is weird
Maybe ignorant, idk. But it baffles me that 5 people doing something stupid in international water get a massive rescue yet a boat trying to find a place to dock with hundreds of people does not.
Though by know i have heard mixed info that there where some rescue attempts but also that some captain supposedly got fines for trying to rescue.
My point of view is the billionaires were doing something stupid and that’s the point. People love that. That’s why there is so much media coverage. And there are so many bad things happening right now, why do people have to pick one and then hey, why don’t you look at this!??! It’s not that it’s not bad; it’s a bad thing that needs attention, and that’s I accepted. But it’s not as fun as looking at billionaires doing something stupid, right?
Your argument for an immoral mismanaging of funds by the world politics is it generates clicks?
The media is ti blame to frame it as a funny thing rather then a display of classcism showing that if you are rich enough armyswill try to rescue you no matter what you did.
We can laugh about it but we are just the internet and humor is a way to cope.
I would have expected that the owner of the submarine pieces would be footing the bill for this. After all, he is at the head of this fuck-up.
is it bad that I read “floating the bill for this” ?
Remeber that time a couple wanted to sail around the world, bought a boat but didn’t know how to sail rally, took their newborn on it, then had to get rescued at sea? People were pissed about the cost of that rescue, calling the couple dumb and entitled and whatnot. I think they had to pay some of the rescue cost back. Personally I don’t know that I’m wild about charging people for rescues, it’s hard to draw a line between legitimate adventure travel, say hiking in a national park, and a reckless stunt.
I haven’t landed at a position on it either, but I could definitely see how if people understood they had to pay at least some portion of the rescue costs, they will try to be more educated and prepared when venturing out into the wild/at sea. Its extremely important to take this stuff seriously and too many people already treat nature like a joke and get themselves in terrible situations cause they just know a helicopter can come pick them up*
Christ, this comment section is almost 100% reactionary.
Tbf if its proven the titan wasn’t up to regulation it should 100% be the company that build the sub that needs to be held accountable. If not the bill should go to whatever got the rescue people involved. Then the insurance that covered such exotic and dangerous ride. (Just like i had insurance when i went to see the pyramids). If its not any above the above than it means the passengers took 100% responsibility and the families should pay up.
Hundereds of immigrants died this week on a ship, no one gave a fuck. Not a penny spend.
I am hoping someone more informed then me can do a comparison how long we could provide shelter and food to those immigrants with that amount of spend money. The internet cant enforce fair economic treatment between the classes but we can call out the hypocrisy.
Pretty sure coast guard did step in to help the ship, but the ship was hiding from authority. Once the call went up because was there. Like the RNLI rescue small boats in English channel. (Somthing some.idiots on the right are claiming is reason not to give to the charity)
There was already an article that basically said they will be immune from any lawsuits. They operated in international waters outside the scope of any laws or regulations on how the submersible needed to be rated. I hope they can find grounds to sue them and kill the company, maybe they will be open to civil lawsuits?
Huh, interesting. Then what is the actual point of the liability waivers they had to sign?
Apparently it covers their ass since they would only be held liable if they misrepresented the dangers. Since they mention death 3 times on the first page, I don’t think they did.
https://news.northeastern.edu/2023/06/22/oceangate-submarine-lawsuit/
If this is referring to the submarine rescue, generally-speaking, rescue efforts by the US Coast Guard or the Park Service or the like are paid for by the government. Interestingly, at least for the Park Service, this is the opposite of the situation with Europe, where it’s common to have rescue insurance if one is heading out into the wilderness hiking or whatnot. This is the reverse of the situation with medical services.
Don’t you know? Consequences are for little people.
What really makes me angry is that media is full of some millionaires drowning in a rattle can steered with a 30$ Logitech controller while there are 100s of people drowning in the Mediterranean Sea every week because they are illegally pushed back by authorities and media is silent about it…
They are illegaly coming too. Also media is silent about this? It is the only thing they talk about.
They are forced out of their countries. I get your opinion if it is about young people just looking for work. This is also happening. But there are mothers and babies and kids among those people. They don’t go onto a rubber boat for fun. I bet you wouldn’t care about laws if the live of your family is in danger. And even if it is illegal, can you explain how it is ok to push them back into the water and let them drown? Mothers and their kids?
They are forced out of their countries.
What prevents them from seeking safety in the first safe country? Egypt etc, there are no civil wars there
Usually, because they know a second language, but the first safe country they pass through doesn’t use that language, or because they’ve got a relative living legally in a different country that they think can help them.
What do you mean, the media is silent about this? There’s tons of articles about that exact thing.
But for the last 4 days the very top of every newsanchors’ headline was something else. Probably that’s what he means.
Exactly.
There has been a lot of coverage, yes, but media didn’t make as much noise… the stories about migrants drowning was soon banned to page 7-13 on local newspapers… while this millionaire drama is all over the media for days now…
That kinda makes sense though, since there was no ongoing rescue/recovery operation to talk about. There’s only so many articles you can write about a bunch of people drowning.
Billionaires, huuuuuuuge difference in wealth even if it’s only a letter apart
A million seconds is 11 eleven days, a billion seconds is 31 years
Always remember that difference to have a filling of how filthy rich billionaires are
I wish. But what I know of the current affair of things, I can only hypothesize two outcomes:
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The benefit after the costs of potential rescue, and now the discovery of 5 recognizable pieces of the craft, will be a learning moment and there will be more regulation of deep sea diving for tourism in the near future. And the families of the victims will say that’s enough and probably name the legislation after one, or a few of the victims.
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The family of the victims will make sure OceanGate will never build another deep sea vessel ever again. This one will depend on the legal logistics. Just like how some airlines caused airliner crashes due to pure negligence, some of the first-class families weren’t able to sue them into non-existence due to international airspace and/or waters protections.
Because either of those two things are what typically happens in such a scenario. At least lately.
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What is this about
The submersible that imploded near the Titanic wreck.
Oh this is when their lawyers turn around and point out they were doing some kind of scientific “research” on behalf of someone’s pet charity organization so it’s all exempt and they pay zero.
Have you seen the statement made by the company itself? It keeps going on about how they were adventurers, explorers, frontiers in ocean exploration, bla bla bla.
In my state we have a stupid motorist law that bills the driver if the drive into a flooded wash and need to get rescued. This typw of law should apply. Accidents are Accidents. But if you willfully ignore safety regulations and signage you get the bill.
Stepping outside is ignoring your safety. Walking a stair is dangerous. Being alive is deadly.
